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If you would like to change the order, or think it should be removed completely, please discuss this first here. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 12:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
== Links ==
Figured out that external links work in the MediWiki messages where the internal links don't work. The three affected messages are now updated. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 02:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
== Fix ==
Could somebody please fix the references error in [[List of honorific titles in popular music]]. I tried, but failed. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 14:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Unclosed {{tag|ref|open}} tag; refTools found it quickly. Also fixed a duplicate reference definition. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 15:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Thanks. I just couldn't find it. :) [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 10:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
==Markup==
Why use the deprecated h sytax and the span markup instead of WP markup? ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 18:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC).
:Elaborate please: which markup and where? ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 19:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
::On [[Template:Template_reference_list]]. For which this is the talk page. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 02:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC).
:::When header wikimarkup is transcluded, it creates an edit link that confusingly opens the template for editing. I don't see that HTML heading tags are deprecated, and they are valid through HTML 5.[http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5_hn.asp] ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 04:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
== User pages ==
The reason for adding user pages is that we had a user page polluting the category for a good six months. Until today in fact. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 02:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC).
:Since the [[MediaWiki:Cite error group refs without references]] namespace detection did not include user pages, I am unclear as to how one could have been in [[:Category:Pages with missing references list]]. After these error messages started showing up on talk and user pages, there was a long discussion on VPT and namespace detection was added to exclude these namespaces. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 04:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
== why so hard? ==
Someone tell me why it's so fucking hard to add references/sources/whatever to articles? In an ideal worl all we should have to do is click on the 'references' button at the appropriate point of the article and insert the URL to the source. And stop. None of this bullshit about then adding a 'ref' tag at the end of the article and then going back because the stupid thing didn't add a heading so it looks odd. Wikipedia admins why not instead of spending so much time debating stupid policies don't you make some of the annoying things like this simpler? I suppose you'd need to take a vote or "straw poll" before anyone does anything because that's what it's like on wikipedia nowadays.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]][[User talk:Xania|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:I empathize with you on the issue, but this is not the place to vent. Admins are simply editors who are trusted with a few tools to hep clean up things. Various enhancements have been proposed to the developers (the software engineers who get paid to maintain the place) and there is a big push to simplify and enhance editing. This page is for discussion of the various error messages that show when there is a problem with the current system. If you got a Cite error message that you did not understand, then we can discuss how to make it clearer. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 20:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
== Standarisation ==
I propose we change "!" in {{tl|Broken ref}} to "τ"? Or more precisely <code><nowiki>τ{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki></code>. Then we can change [[MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references]] and [[MediaWiki:Cite error group refs without references]] to something like all the others, namely <code><nowiki>{{broken ref|msg=There are {{tag|ref|open}} tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{tag|references|single}} tag.|cat=Pages with missing references list}}</nowiki></code>. The two blocks in [[Template:Broken_ref/doc#Messages]] could then be merged.
Advantages:
# All MediaWiki messages are similar, and work through one and the same template. With all the advantages that brings!
# All templates sort to "τ", which is the more generally accepted sortkey for templates.
# There is an elegance in the unification of the text of all MediaWiki messages, the fact that they all work through the same template, and sort the same way. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 22:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:I don't know why I didn't apply the template to those two messages after I added the category feature. I also tweaked the template so to use an external link to the help page so that the two message that don't support internal links will work. [[MediaWiki:Cite error references no text]] can't use Broken ref as it mangles external links. I think I can fix that. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 11:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::Fixed by adding {{para|prefix}} just for that one stubborn message. Did a lot of cleanup on the template and help page, so give it an eyeball. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 13:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
First, I'm sorry if this is the wrong place for this message. I cannot understand the coding you are talking about but you seem to be referring to the error message that is displayed in the references section when there is an orphaned ref tag in the article. Formerly the error message was <br/><strong class="error"><nowiki>Cite Error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named a.</nowiki></strong><br/> Now the message seems to be <br/><strong class="error">Cite Error:</strong>Invalid <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tag; no text was provided for refs named a; see Help:Cite errors.<br/> I have no problem with having the additional text in the error message but I think the entire error message should be big red text. That way editors are more likely to see the message and fix the error.
[[Special:Contributions/75.69.0.58|75.69.0.58]] ([[User talk:75.69.0.58|talk]]) 21:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thank you— this is exactly the right place to report this. That particular message page is just plain odd— it just does not format the way it should. Should be fixed now; you will have to purge to see the fix. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> '''''</span><sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 22:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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