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** 1) '''Where should we tag <nowiki>{{Portal|Java|Wave.svg}}</nowiki> and/or <nowiki>{{Java (Sun)}}</nowiki> / <nowiki>{{Java Virtual Machine}}</nowiki>: on some or all Java categories, on some or all Java articles?'''<br/><br/>

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*** I'll risk an answer to my own question: the Portal template is used on 2,200,000 pages so it should be safe to put its Java incarnation in all Java-related articles, under the See also section. As for the navbox mechanism, it seems to be used extensively by some projects and not at all by others. I think the Java (Sun) navbox is a worthwhile addition to any Java-related article (more than the over-specialized JVM one), right before the Category tags. But I don't think putting any of these 3 templates in remaining categories is worthwile. The cumbersome job of putting the 2 tags, Portal and Java (Sun), in all Java-related articles should be done in combination with the tagging of unaccessed Java-related articles with {{tl|Compu-stub}}. Anyone with another opinion?...<br/>-- [[User:Alainr345|<span style="display:inline-block; position:relative; top:20px;"><font face="Times" color="#4590ff" size="2"><u><i>&nbsp;Alain&nbsp; R 3 4 5&nbsp;</i></u><br/><font color="#ffb000">^{Techno-Wiki-Geek}</font></font></span>]] 02:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)<br/><br/>

****In abstentia, I moved the resulting action [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Java/Things_you_can_do|here]] (AR)<br/><br/>

*== Questions: ==

** 2) '''Is there a better way to screen for untagged Java material than the searches suggested under List: in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Java/Things you can do|Things you can do]]?'''<br/><br/>

*** Again I'll do some loud thinking here about this second question of mine. Since I could not figure out a less convoluted way of finding existing Wikipedia content currently untagged for Java, I'll keep it at that. The first [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&redirs=1&search=Java+%22programming+language%22+platform+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+programming+language%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+device+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22JVM+programming+language%22+-incategory%3AEclipse+-incategory%3A%22Java+enterprise+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+virtual+machine%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+specification+requests%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+development+tools%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform+software%22+-incategory%3A%22Free+software+programmed+in+Java%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+libraries%22+-incategory%3A%22Articles+with+example+Java+code%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+APIs%22+-incategory%3A%22JavaServer+Faces%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+API+for+XML%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+Internet+Relay+Chat+clients%22+-incategory%3A%22Eclipse+technology%22+-incategory%3A%22Eclipse+software%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+applications%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform+games%22+-incategory%3ASodaplay&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&title=Special%3ASearch&advanced=1&fulltext=Advanced+search search] I'm referring to gives 935 articles, the second [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&redirs=1&search=Java+(%22programming+language%22+OR+platform)+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+programming+language%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+device+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22JVM+programming+language%22+-incategory%3AEclipse+-incategory%3A%22Java+enterprise+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+virtual+machine%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+specification+requests%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+development+tools%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform+software%22+-incategory%3A%22Free+software+programmed+in+Java%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+libraries%22+-incategory%3A%22Articles+with+example+Java+code%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+APIs%22+-incategory%3A%22JavaServer+Faces%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+API+for+XML%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+Internet+Relay+Chat+clients%22+-incategory%3A%22Eclipse+technology%22+-incategory%3A%22Eclipse+software%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+applications%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform+games%22+-incategory%3ASodaplay&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&title=Special%3ASearch&advanced=1&fulltext=Advanced+search search] is 3515 long; so I guess we will stay with the first one for the time being. What I suggest is to cover all of that material by placing those 935 links in a list (on the to_do subpage) with 3 types: 'Good candidates', 'Bad candidates' and 'Unclear'. An example of a 'Good' article for inclusion in Java categories would be [[Jess_programming_language]], a 'Bad candidate' would be [[Computer]] and an 'Unclear' is [[Cross-platform]]. After that process, we settle the 'Unclear' and then we tag all the 'Good candidates' with Java categories. What do YOU think?<br/>-- [[User:Alainr345|<span style="display:inline-block; position:relative; top:20px;"><font face="Times" color="#4590ff" size="2"><u><i>&nbsp;Alain&nbsp; R 3 4 5&nbsp;</i></u><br/><font color="#ffb000">^{Techno-Wiki-Geek}</font></font></span>]] 02:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)<br/><br/>

****In abstentia, I moved the resulting action [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Java/Things_you_can_do|here]] (AR)<br/><br/>

** 31) '''WhatWhere kindshould ofwe Infoboxestag (if<nowiki>{{Portal|Java|Wave.svg}}</nowiki> anyand/or <nowiki>{{Java (Sun)}}</nowiki> like/ <nowiki>{{InfoboxJava softwareVirtual Machine}}</nowiki>: shouldon wesome or all Java categories, on some or putall inJava articles?'''<br/><br/>

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****In abstentia, I moved the resulting action [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Java/Things_you_can_do|here]]. (AR)<br/><br/>

** 4) What are the merits of using <nowiki>{{Template:Did_you_know}}</nowiki> to get visibility on the main Wikipedia page? (not so urgent...)<br/><br/><br/>

** 5) '''We need to discuss WPBanner hooks with the Computing project in order to get specific Quality-rating statistics for Java articles:'''

** 2) '''Is there a better way to screen for untagged Java material than the searches suggested under List: in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Java/Things you can do|Things you can do]]?'''<br/><br/>

***What do you think about that compromise?

*** Again I'll do some loud thinking here about this second question of mine. Since I could not figure out a less convoluted way of finding existing Wikipedia content currently untagged for Java, I'll keep it at that. The first [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&redirs=1&search=Java+%22programming+language%22+platform+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+programming+language%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+device+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22JVM+programming+language%22+-incategory%3AEclipse+-incategory%3A%22Java+enterprise+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+virtual+machine%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+specification+requests%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+development+tools%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform+software%22+-incategory%3A%22Free+software+programmed+in+Java%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+libraries%22+-incategory%3A%22Articles+with+example+Java+code%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+APIs%22+-incategory%3A%22JavaServer+Faces%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+API+for+XML%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+Internet+Relay+Chat+clients%22+-incategory%3A%22Eclipse+technology%22+-incategory%3A%22Eclipse+software%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+applications%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform+games%22+-incategory%3ASodaplay&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&title=Special%3ASearch&advanced=1&fulltext=Advanced+search search] I'm referring to gives 935 articles, the second [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&redirs=1&search=Java+(%22programming+language%22+OR+platform)+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+programming+language%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+device+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22JVM+programming+language%22+-incategory%3AEclipse+-incategory%3A%22Java+enterprise+platform%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+virtual+machine%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+specification+requests%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+development+tools%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform+software%22+-incategory%3A%22Free+software+programmed+in+Java%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+libraries%22+-incategory%3A%22Articles+with+example+Java+code%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+APIs%22+-incategory%3A%22JavaServer+Faces%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+API+for+XML%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+Internet+Relay+Chat+clients%22+-incategory%3A%22Eclipse+technology%22+-incategory%3A%22Eclipse+software%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+applications%22+-incategory%3A%22Java+platform+games%22+-incategory%3ASodaplay&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&title=Special%3ASearch&advanced=1&fulltext=Advanced+search search] is 3515 long; so I guess we will stay with the first one for the time being. What I suggest is to cover all of that material by placing those 935 links in a list (on the to_do subpage) with 3 types: 'Good candidates', 'Bad candidates' and 'Unclear'. An example of a 'Good' article for inclusion in Java categories would be [[Jess_programming_language]], a 'Bad candidate' would be [[Computer]] and an 'Unclear' is [[Cross-platform]]. After that process, we settle the 'Unclear' and then we tag all the 'Good candidates' with Java categories. What do YOU think?<br/>-- [[User:Alainr345|<span style="display:inline-block; position:relative; top:20px;"><font face="Times" color="#4590ff" size="2"><u><i>&nbsp;Alain&nbsp; R 3 4 5&nbsp;</i></u><br/><font color="#ffb000">^{Techno-Wiki-Geek}</font></font></span>]] 02:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)<br/><br/>

*** a) We ask them to add this in their [[Template:WikiProject Computing]]: (already done by Tothwolf)

****In abstentia, I moved the resulting action [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Java/Things_you_can_do|here]] (AR)<br/><br/>

3) '''What kind of Infoboxes (if any) like <nowiki>{{Infobox software}}</nowiki> should we put in articles?'''<br/>

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****In abstentia, I moved the resulting action [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Java/Things_you_can_do|here]]. (AR)<br/><br/>

** 4) What are the merits of using <nowiki>{{Template:Did_you_know}}</nowiki> to get visibility on the main Wikipedia page? (not so urgent...)<br/><br/><br/>

** 5) '''We need to discuss WPBanner hooks with the Computing project in order to get specific Quality-rating statistics for Java articles:'''

***What do you think about that compromise?

*** a) We ask them to add this in their [[Template:WikiProject Computing]]: (already done by Tothwolf)

:::<nowiki>|tf 9={{{java|}}}</nowiki>

:::<nowiki> |TF_9_LINK = Wikipedia:WikiProject Java</nowiki>

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:* d) Furthermore, after that we could put the {{tl|Compu-stub}} tag in all Java-related article pages NOT already quality-rated and ask [[User:TinucherianBot|TinucherianBot]] to auto-assess on the talk pages; that would give us a base Quality rating to start with.<br/>-- [[User:Alainr345|<span style="display:inline-block; position:relative; top:20px;"><font face="Times" color="#4590ff" size="2"><u><i>&nbsp;Alain&nbsp; R 3 4 5&nbsp;</i></u><br/><font color="#ffb000">^{Techno-Wiki-Geek}</font></font></span>]] 02:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC)<br/><br/>

::Comment about 5) For me, in creating the Java WikiProject, there was to be a balance between 'bringing focus to the bettering of Java-related content on Wikipedia' AND 'the overhead of maintaining such a project'. The balance I found, apart from bringing up the Java Portal from scratch, was that 1) we would be a descendent project of WikiProject Computing (not a task force) 2) we would have our own 'banner' linking to the Java Project and the Java Portal and 3) we would stick to the WP1.0 stats management (the Quality-by-Importance matrix). Nothing original so far. Then, comes the decision of having, or not having, a specific Importance rating and/or a specific Quality rating (for Java-related articles) by the Java project. I therefore examined several other projects related or not to computing, and saw that they run the whole gamut in between having no specific ratings (for example, the Quebec project VS the Canada project) to having all specific ratings (for example, the Linux project VS the Computing project). I did think having Importance ratings was practical because that's a management issue for prioritizing articles and their rewriting. There remains the infamous Quality ratings. As I understand it, Quality rating is an editorial issue of Wikipedia, and in fact I never saw (so far) 2 projects giving a different Class. When they do, these differences get reconciled through inter-project discussions. By having NO specific 'class' parameter, the Java WikiProject can somewhat shortcut the 'paperwork' as was explained to me by my adopter SriMesh. Also, we would not need to invoke a bot from time to time to assess the articles from other project banners. And we do not have to constantly check if the other Computing projects attempt to change the rating over our head. So the problem becomes more simple: how to generate the relevant 'Java articles by quality' category in an article's talk page from the project banner. One way I foresaw is explained above. It means putting both the Computing banner and the Java banner, both keeping their own independant meaning and responsibilities. If you take a look at [[Talk:J2EE_application]] that's what I would want, the Quality rating for Java taken from Computing (I'm not engaging the whole team in saying so though). The only problem is the java-importance parameter on the Computing banner which is necessary there (if not there, the templates will generate an extra Unknown-importance Java articles category) but is redundant in that case; I don't know how to fix that in the Computing project template (putting the java-importance as an option) but I'm sure someone does... If somebody has a better method, that's great, but please explain it here before doing any work, so that the team can choose which way to go...<br/>-- [[User:Alainr345|<span style="display:inline-block; position:relative; top:20px;"><font face="Times" color="#4590ff" size="2"><u><i>&nbsp;Alain&nbsp; R 3 4 5&nbsp;</i></u><br/><font color="#ffb000">^{Techno-Wiki-Geek}</font></font></span>]] 21:56, 9 December 2009 (UTC)<br/><br/>

:::I know what you are trying to do and {{tl|WPBannerMeta}} and the WP1.0 stats bot doesn't work like that. {{tl|WikiProject Computing}}'s TF code for {{para|java}} will eventually go away and can't be depended on either (I just added it for transitional purposes since I saw many articles trying to use {{para|java}} with {{tl|WikiProject Computing}}. --[[User:Tothwolf|Tothwolf]] ([[User talk:Tothwolf|talk]]) 21:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

:::I've put in the bot request [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xenobot_Mk_V/requests&diff=prev&oldid=330740324] to get everything auto-assessed using the existing banners and stub templates. Once that is done we can weed out and re-tag articles that aren't within the project's scope (I noticed a few related to DVD manufacturers for example). After {{cl|Java articles by quality}} is fully populated, [[User:WP 1.0 bot]] will re-generate [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Java articles by quality statistics]]. --[[User:Tothwolf|Tothwolf]] ([[User talk:Tothwolf|talk]]) 22:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

::The thing about project independance is certainly a relevant argument. But I'm not sure you are talking about TF hooks in terms of your own taste or of a WP1.0 policy change... Could you flesh out your idea please. (Note: Auto-assessing before putting the Compu-stub tag in untagged articles only means we'll have to request the bot a second time, but if you like it, why not!)<br/>-- [[User:Alainr345|<span style="display:inline-block; position:relative; top:20px;"><font face="Times" color="#4590ff" size="2"><u><i>&nbsp;Alain&nbsp; R 3 4 5&nbsp;</i></u><br/><font color="#ffb000">^{Techno-Wiki-Geek}</font></font></span>]] 22:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)<br/><br/>

:::::If we are talking about the TF stuff in {{tl|WikiProject Computing}}, it has become unmaintainable and people are not even bothering to use the parameters for {{tl|WikiProject Computing}} much of the time now. All of the WikiProjects that have TF options already have their own banners and most have been slowing switching back to them. In the not too distant future I'll look into getting a bot to finish the job and clean up the bulk of what is left. It will be trivial to have a bot add {{tl|WikiProject Computing}} to articles that already have other banners as well.<br />As for {{tl|WikiProject Java}}, there are already stub templates on many articles. We will likely have to request several bot runs for the initial stuff anyway and that is pretty normal.<br />In my experience assessing articles doesn't add too much overhead and it won't require AWB or anything fancy. Keeping banner templates standardised and using normal options means people who assess for one project will usually assess for the other projects that have banners present since {{para|class}} will be the same for all banners and is usually the only option that needs to change once the assessment templates are established. Unlike the {{para|importance}} scale, which varies between individual projects, there is a standard scale for assessing articles for {{para|class}}. See [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment]], [[Template:Grading scheme]], and [[Template:Importance scheme]] for more information on the scales. --[[User:Tothwolf|Tothwolf]] ([[User talk:Tothwolf|talk]]) 22:53, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

:::I know what you are trying to do and {{tl|WPBannerMeta}} and the WP1.0 stats bot doesn't work like that. {{tl|WikiProject Computing}}'s TF code for {{para|java}} will eventually go away and can't be depended on either (I just added it for transitional purposes since I saw many articles trying to use {{para|java}} with {{tl|WikiProject Computing}}. --[[User:Tothwolf|Tothwolf]] ([[User talk:Tothwolf|talk]]) 21:36, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

:::I've put in the bot request [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xenobot_Mk_V/requests&diff=prev&oldid=330740324] to get everything auto-assessed using the existing banners and stub templates. Once that is done we can weed out and re-tag articles that aren't within the project's scope (I noticed a few related to DVD manufacturers for example). After {{cl|Java articles by quality}} is fully populated, [[User:WP 1.0 bot]] will re-generate [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Java articles by quality statistics]]. --[[User:Tothwolf|Tothwolf]] ([[User talk:Tothwolf|talk]]) 22:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

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:::::::Feel free to copy from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject IRC/Assessment|this]] assessment page if you'd like. I created that one ages ago. Don't forget about [[WP:BOLD]] ;) We should be seeing the bot begin to process [[WP:JAVA]] articles soon. It was processing [[WP:OXFORD]] stuff today and JAVA is next in the queue. --[[User:Tothwolf|Tothwolf]] ([[User talk:Tothwolf|talk]]) 00:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::If we are talking about the TF stuff in {{tl|WikiProject Computing}}, it has become unmaintainable and people are not even bothering to use the parameters for {{tl|WikiProject Computing}} much of the time now. All of the WikiProjects that have TF options already have their own banners and most have been slowing switching back to them. In the not too distant future I'll look into getting a bot to finish the job and clean up the bulk of what is left. It will be trivial to have a bot add {{tl|WikiProject Computing}} to articles that already have other banners as well.<br />As for {{tl|WikiProject Java}}, there are already stub templates on many articles. We will likely have to request several bot runs for the initial stuff anyway and that is pretty normal.<br />In my experience assessing articles doesn't add too much overhead and it won't require AWB or anything fancy. Keeping banner templates standardised and using normal options means people who assess for one project will usually assess for the other projects that have banners present since {{para|class}} will be the same for all banners and is usually the only option that needs to change once the assessment templates are established. Unlike the {{para|importance}} scale, which varies between individual projects, there is a standard scale for assessing articles for {{para|class}}. See [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment]], [[Template:Grading scheme]], and [[Template:Importance scheme]] for more information on the scales. --[[User:Tothwolf|Tothwolf]] ([[User talk:Tothwolf|talk]]) 22:53, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

== Other sections ==

::::::OK, I think you've shown a good case for that (having our own Quality rating). I modified the Template doc and Assessment subpages accordingly. We only wish you'd justified these actions BEFORE doing them, as they influence a lot of things. Remember it's a team effort...<br/>-- [[User:Alainr345|<span style="display:inline-block; position:relative; top:20px;"><font face="Times" color="#4590ff" size="2"><u><i>&nbsp;Alain&nbsp; R 3 4 5&nbsp;</i></u><br/><font color="#ffb000">^{Techno-Wiki-Geek}</font></font></span>]] 00:44, 12 December 2009 (UTC)<br/><br/>

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:::::::Feel free to copy from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject IRC/Assessment|this]] assessment page if you'd like. I created that one ages ago. Don't forget about [[WP:BOLD]] ;) We should be seeing the bot begin to process [[WP:JAVA]] articles soon. It was processing [[WP:OXFORD]] stuff today and JAVA is next in the queue. --[[User:Tothwolf|Tothwolf]] ([[User talk:Tothwolf|talk]]) 00:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)