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::Thanks a lot!! XD[[User:Syfuel|Syfuel]] ([[User talk:Syfuel|talk]]) 03:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Watermark Removals ==

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File:Josiah Quincy.jpg|{{done}}

File:Jared Sparks Harvard.jpg|{{done}}

File:Jared Sparks Harvard edit.jpg|Edited {{done}}

File:James Walker Harvard.jpg|{{done}}

File:TD Woolsey.jpg|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;'''Edited as new file ==>'''

File:TD Woolsey edited.jpg|{{done}}

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'''Article(s):''' [[Josiah Quincy III]], [[Jared Sparks]], [[James Walker (Harvard)]]

'''Request:''' Remove watermarks. Thanks. '''[[User:Connormah|<span style="color:#0660ad">Connormah</span>]]'''^{'''[[User talk:Connormah|<span style="color:#0660ad"><small>talk</small></span>]]'''} 23:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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*'''Comment''' - tried these, but even with Photoshop's wonderful new ''Content Aware Fill'' on the ''Spot Healing Brush'' I can't get an acceptable result. Spot healing and clone stamping leave too many traces - the watermarks obscure too much important detail that would need to be redrawn, and then it's not enhancement/restoration, it's pretty much [[WP:OR]] - sorry, maybe someone else has more skill at this... &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 17:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

::A method I have effectively used before (on [[:File:Chester A. Arthur portrait c1882.jpg]], for example) is using the upscaled thumbnail image available on the archive's image description page (i.e. [http://www.picturehistory.com/product/id/4833 this]) to replace the watermark: the watermark is placed in different positions on the thumbnail and the full-scale images. Some additional cloning can then be used to make the upscaled and blurry areas seem more natural. It won't look perfect, but the watermarks are certainly removable. —[[User:Quibik|Quibik]] ([[User talk:Quibik|talk]]) 18:52, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Did the first one. I don't think I'll have time to do the others, though. (As a tip to anyone else interested in working with the others: simply adding noise (extracted from the background, for example) to the blurry areas works surprisingly well. Also, the thumbnail images need gamma correction by ~0.67.) —[[User:Quibik|Quibik]] ([[User talk:Quibik|talk]]) 20:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

::::That's clever, and superb - I'll try and find time to try one of the others with your method later today. &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

::::I had a go at the second one using the technique you described. &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 04:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::You did a great job with the image! I also did some more general cleaning up and uploaded it as a new file. —[[User:Quibik|Quibik]] ([[User talk:Quibik|talk]]) 12:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

::::::Awesome job, guys - can you possibly look at my request above for Woolsey, also? I'll add in the gallery. Thanks again. <span style="font-size: 93%;">'''[[User:Connormah|Connor]][[User talk:Connormah|mah]]'''</span> 22:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::::He was trickier, because there was a lot more noise in this one - in the colour, and there were eyeballs, wisps of hair and other fun stuff behind the watermark which weren't very distinct even in the thumbnail - so I've done the best I can in greyscale... &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 05:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:::::::I had another look at this and tried to fix up that pretty awful greyscale attempt. It's still pretty poor, but when I get time I think I may do better from scratch. One for a rainy day. &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 17:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Volga Oblast ==

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File:Volga Oblasts and ASSRs in 1940.jpg|Volga Oblasts and ASSRs in 1940.jpg

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'''Article(s):''' [[Volga Oblast]]

'''Request:''' flatten crease up middle... [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 06:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

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Because this had been here a while now, I had a go. There was a lot of damage around that crease, so it's far from perfect. &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 09:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you, that's great! Instead of two images, can you overwrite the new one over the old?--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 12:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Done &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 12:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== First highway centerline ==

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File:M-15 centerline 1917.jpg|1917 photo of the first highway centerline

File:M-15 centerline 1917 printed.jpg|Scanned copy from book

File:M-15 centerline 1917 printed cleaned.jpg|Noise removed, desaturated

File:M-15 centerline 1917 printed cleaned 2.jpg|With contrast adjustment

File:M-15 centerline 1917 printed cleaned combined.jpg|combined

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'''Article(s):''' [[Road surface marking]], [[Timeline of United States inventions (1890–1991)]], [[Michigan Highway System]], [[M-15 (Michigan highway)]], sandboxed article on County Road 492.

'''Request:''' Ok, let's start over here. I requested, and received, a scanned copy of the photo above. I've also rescanned the photo from the book, ''Making Michigan Move'', which is where I discovered this photo. MDOT's scan from their archives was done at 72dpi, which resulted in 795 × 465 pixels, 175 KB. The scan I just did from the book came out at 3,294 × 1,916 pixels, 16.1 MB. The problem though is that the book was printed in in a weird sepia for the photos and blue for the text. As well, the scanned version from the book has a noticeable moiré pattern. Is there anything that can be done to salvage this photo? The first version has been nominated at WP:FPC, but it's just too low of resolution and garnering opposition left and right. <span style="background:green; padding:2px">'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<font color="white">Imzadi</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Imzadi1979|<font color="white">1979</font>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Imzadi1979|<font color="white"><big>→</big></font>]]'''</span> 14:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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Opinion: You won't really get anywhere with that scan from the book, I don't think. All you have there is a high resolution scan of a low resolution image so all you've done is perfectly captured the halftone screen used by the printer, resulting in "dots the size of golfballs" - hence the moire. Open it in an editor, and zoom in on, say, the power pole in the trees just right of centre until you can see the halftone dots. The dots are 20-25% of the width of the pole. Now do the same with your b/w image and you'll see that even though it isn't very good there is far more detail even in that, without the giant halftone dots. That's because they scanned an original photo. The only way to get more detail is to get a scan done from the photo at higher than 72 dpi - which I think you indicated you can't do. It doesn't matter how well you scan the book, the intermediate step of the printer applying his halftone screen has removed the detail. &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 01:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree with Begoon here. The halftoned image is definitely a lower resolution. See, for example [http://user.interface.org.nz/~gringer/pics/M-15_centerline_1917_nohalf.jpg my attempt] at removing the halftoning (speckle removal + gaussian blur + size reduction). Despite that, your book scan should probably be JPEG compression at a setting of 95, rather than 100. 100 doesn't mean lossless, in most cases it just needlessly increases the file size. [[User:Gringer|gringer]] ([[User talk:Gringer|talk]]) 05:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I cleaned up the half-tone that was causing the moiré patterns (and desaturated). I uploaded that version without any additional adjustments in consideration of anyone else interested in improving that image. I also uploaded another version with some quick additional contrast adjustments. Compared to the other scan this image is indeed higher-resolution, but unfortunately absolutely lacks in shadow detail.<br/>

For other editors: feel free improve upon the first image. Additional noise reduction and level adjustments will probably be useful. You can overwrite my second image. —[[User:Quibik|Quibik]] ([[User talk:Quibik|talk]]) 13:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

:Ok - you gave me an idea. I took the original low res image, resized and cropped it to exactly match the cleaned up book scan, then blended the book scan on top of the low res to give it resolution and detail. It's uploaded above. I haven't done any other clean up except for a tiny blur to the book scan to get rid of the last traces of halftone dots. See what you think. It can certainly still be cleaned up a bit, and levels/contrast adjusted. This was more a "proof of concept" before getting into that. &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 15:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

::So is it too late to tell you guys that MDOT got me a 300 dpi TIFF scan off the archived photo? It's been covnerted to PNG and uploaded at [[:File:M-15 centerline 1917-2.png]] Trust me, when I saw that last version though, I was pleasantly blown away this morning. <span style="background:green; padding:2px">'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<font color="white">Imzadi</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Imzadi1979|<font color="white">1979</font>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Imzadi1979|<font color="white"><big>→</big></font>]]'''</span> 16:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Henry Clay by Mathew Brady ==

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File:Henry Clay by Mathew Brady 1849.jpg|Henry Clay by Mathew Brady

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'''Article(s):''' [[Henry Clay]]

'''Request:''' Can one of you wizards bring out the details in this dark daguerreotype by Mathew Brady, while respecting the photographer's original? Many thanks, as always [[User:MarmadukePercy|MarmadukePercy]] ([[User talk:MarmadukePercy|talk]]) 03:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you! I agree with your decision to leave the scratches in. [[User:MarmadukePercy|MarmadukePercy]] ([[User talk:MarmadukePercy|talk]]) 10:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{Done}}, unless you wanted the scratches removed too; I didn't want to interfere to much with the original work. [[User:EWikist |<b><font color = "black"> EW</font>_{_{<font color = "red"><big><big>i</big></big></font>}}<font color = "black">kist</font></b>]][[User talk:EWikist|^{<font color = "black">Talk</font>}]] 22:32, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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== Jim Petersen ==

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'''Article(s):''' [[Minnesota Mr. Basketball]]

'''Request:''' Could someone crop Jim Petersen, the guy at the right, from this? ~<strong>'''''[[User:Editorofthewiki|<font color="#F900">EDDY</font>]]'' ^{([[User talk:Editorofthewiki#top|<font color="Green">talk</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Editorofthewiki|<font color="Green">contribs</font>]]/[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Editorofthewiki|<font color="Green">editor review</font>]])}'''</span></strong>~ 22:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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Here's a crop - what you end up with is quite indistinct, though, and very low res. &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 04:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

*Thanks! It's pretty low quality, which I was expecting. Anyway, it'll do. ~<strong>'''''[[User:Editorofthewiki|<font color="#F900">EDDY</font>]]'' ^{([[User talk:Editorofthewiki#top|<font color="Green">talk</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Editorofthewiki|<font color="Green">contribs</font>]]/[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Editorofthewiki|<font color="Green">editor review</font>]])}'''</span></strong>~ 12:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Armenian ==

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'''Article(s):''' [[Armenian]]

'''Request:''' trim off bottom dead space... [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 05:27, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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{{Done}} - straightened and cropped &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 10:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you again kind sir!--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 12:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Nicola magazine ==

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'''Article(s):''' [[Nicola magazine]]

'''Request:''' it's not a cricket on her face, it's a scan or upload error. and please remove border. 御疲れ様です. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 13:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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{{Done}} &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 13:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

:Much better, thank you!--[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 06:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

== Table Tennis ==

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File:Table Tennis the table.jpg|Description of table tennis table

File:Table Tennis Table.svg|There's this...

File:Table Tennis Table Blue.svg|also available in blue...

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'''Article(s):''' [[Table Tennis]]

'''Request:''' Can somebody fix the spelling of "length"? If you have time, could you also vectorize the image? Thanks so much for your help. [[User:Guoguo12|<font color="green">Guoguo12</font>]][[User talk:Guoguo12|<font color="blue" size="1">'''''--Talk--'''''</font>&nbsp;]] 16:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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How about the existing vector above ? &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 16:35, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

:Very good, thanks! Could you also change the commas to periods? Sorry, I didn't notice them before. Thank you. [[User:Guoguo12|<font color="green">Guoguo12</font>]][[User talk:Guoguo12|<font color="blue" size="1">'''''--Talk--'''''</font>&nbsp;]] 17:27, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

::Changed - and a blue version in case you prefer that. &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 17:53, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Perfect. Thank you so much; people have been complaining about that picture for years. [[User:Guoguo12|<font color="green">Guoguo12</font>]][[User talk:Guoguo12|<font color="blue" size="1">'''''--Talk--'''''</font>&nbsp;]] 18:27, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

::::No problem. I increased the captions slightly so they are legible at the size you use in the article. (I also fixed the spelling on the old jpg just in case anyone uses it - but it probably should be deleted now) &nbsp;[[User:Begoon|<font face="Arial" color="#0645AD">'''Begoon'''</font>]][[User Talk:Begoon|<font style="color:#808080;font-weight:bold;">^talk</font>]] 06:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)