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I assume that the profoundly blind, using text-to-speech AT, won't care about this, but users with weak vision (and I just might be talking about visitors over about 40) would probably find accessibilty enhanced if they didn't need to squint and strain so much to tell "NL" from "NZ" apart. Is this an appropriate place to address this? Or am I better off pursuing my little crusade at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style]]? Thanks for the good work here. <i>— [[User:JohnFromPinckney|JohnFromPinckney]] ([[User talk:JohnFromPinckney|talk]])</i> 11:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
:It's certainly an accessibility issue and the Accessibility Manual of Style should give guidance. The place would be at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility/Manual of Style draft#Text]], but it's not written yet. There is a wide variety of browsers, screen sizes, and resolutions, so the problem is not the same for everyone. Personally I now have difficulty reading text on a 17" full-HD laptop without using the browser zoom, so I sympathise. I actually think that article text needs to be rendered at close to 100% as a minimum (since even 85% may be difficult for some), but it may be necessary to compromise in some cases, and 85% may be sensible target minimum for now. There's no reason why you shouldn't raise the issue with any project: I'm sure you'll be able to count on the members of WikiProject Accessibility to also discuss it and provide useful advice. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 19:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for your useful input JohnFromPinckney. :-)
::I already had to fight this issue several times on french wikis. Several users love small text and it's a pain to deal with this issue. That's why I hesitated to bring it up. But since we agree on that it might be worth trying to solve this issue.
::I'd say this is mostly a usability issue. People with weak vision and others are technically able to zoom, so it's not really an accessibility issue. However, an surprisingly large number of users do not know how to zoom with their browser (Ctrl +/-). And for those who knows, they have to zoom in and out just for these table headers. It's a pain, and it's unnecessary.
::Small text affects readability a lot, and has been thoroughly studied by usability experts: [http://www.laurenscharff.com/research/SWExp.html small text is way harder to read for everyone]. Usability guidelines recommend a default font size of at least 12 points (about 16 pixels, but pixels are evil).
::There is any number of useful resource about readability on the Web. But those three stand out:
::*[http://www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/web-usability/web-page-readability.shtml An overview of readability best practices]
::*[http://www.laurenscharff.com/research/web_read_lvs.html Research on readability], for advanced users or Wikiproject members
::*[http://www.deyalexander.com.au/resources/uxd/readability.html List of further references]
::Since this issue is mostly interesting from an usability point of view, I suggest to bring this issue at the usability project first. Let's make a guideline about readability there. And afterward I suggest to bring the issue to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style]] and try to convince them.
::Usability and accessibility have a lot in common, and I believe this topic is an great occasion to improve the collaboration between these two projects. Kind regards, [[User:Dodoïste|Dodoïste]] ([[User talk:Dodoïste|talk]]) 20:15, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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