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:::There is a certain amount of technical knowledge required to understand ''most'' mathematics articles on Wikipedia. I don't see any reason this stub should be held to a higher standard than the rest of our mathematics articles, particularly since the notion is not likely to be ''relevant'' to anyone without a substantial quantitative background to start with. [[User:Sławomir Biały|<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Sławomir Biały</span>]] ([[User talk:Sławomir Biały|talk]]) 16:51, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
::::And I don't know why mathematics articles should be held to a ''lower'' standard than articles for any other subject -- which are expected to be accessible to the non-specialist. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 16:58, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well, I didn't say that this article was inaccessible to a non-specialist. I'm not a specialist in convex analysis. It ''should'' be accessible to anyone with a good background in university mathematics. While it is certainly the case that our articles are supposed to be made as accessible to as wide an audience as possible, this is always tempered by a realistic view of who the target audience is. Indeed, most ''scientific'' articles on Wikipedia are not accessible to granny (e.g., [[1,2-Dimethylcyclopropane]]). [[User:Sławomir Biały|<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Sławomir Biały</span>]] ([[User talk:Sławomir Biały|talk]]) 17:05, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, and according to [[Miscellaneous Technical (Unicode block)]], the symbols I'm missing are 'KEYBOARD' (2328) & 'LEFT-POINTING ANGLE BRACKET' (2329). Why these would appear in a mathematical article, or be expected in a standard OS installation or web browser, I don't know. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 16:44, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Exactly what the status of unicode symbols is in mathematics articles is a perennial debate, but our current [[WP:MOSMATH|Manual of Style]] does give its blessing to unicode symbols that correspond to named html entities. The left and right angle brackets are &lang; and &rang;. But as you probably know, the appropriate way to lobby for this sort of change would be to start a threat at [[WT:MOSMATH]]. (However, this is a discussion that has happened before many times already.) [[User:Sławomir Biały|<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Sławomir Biały</span>]] ([[User talk:Sławomir Biały|talk]]) 16:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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