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::Why do you think this should be AfD rather than PROD? (I'm not saying you're wrong, just want to understand your reasoning.)
:::Well AfD is almost the same thing (it is an article) but its for the notability.
::::See very long answer below {{=)|wink}}
 
An article about a minor Harry Potter character.
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::Just to be clear, the article does have enough reliable references to show it's notable, but it has these big problems with writing style and the unreferenced childhood section. Do you still think that this PROD reason is good?
:::It is not for the references, but for the writing problems.
::::I think this example should not be deleted. Articles that are about notable topics shouldn't be deleted unless they have other problems which are impossible to solve by normal editing. In this case, the article should be kept, tagged for {{Tlsp|Copy edit}}, and the unreferenced childhood section should either be referenced or deleted. You can just delete the problematic section without deleting the whole article.
 
====Rough guide to PROD vs AfD====
Given your answers above, I'm guessing you thought that AfD is for articles with notability problems, but PROD isn't? (If I guessed wrong then sorry.) The allowable "reasons for deleting" articles are actually the same for PROD and for AfD: they are shown in the box below. So the boy-band and the hockey player would be okay to send to AfD, but they'd also be okay to PROD.
 
'''That seems crazy''' - why have '''two deletion processes''' that cover the '''same types of articles'''? Well the whole point of PROD is to reduce the load on AfD. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_deletion_as_of_9_April_2011 This is the articles PRODed yesterday.] There are 56 of them there right now, so if they all had to be discussed at AfD it would make a lot more work.
 
But the PRODed articles don't get discussed- is this unfair on them?? Actually, this is why the PROD tag is so easy to remove. The idea is that if anyone at all objects to the deletion, it ought to be discussed. So you can force an article to be either kept or taken to AfD, by removing the PROD. But if no-one objects to the deletion, then great, the article gets deleted after 7 days and we don't waste time talking about it.
 
However, there are some circumstances when AfD is definitely a much better choice than PROD: can you imagine any?
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{{Quotation|Reasons for deletion include, but are not limited to, the following (subject to the condition that improvement or deletion of an offending section, if practical, is preferable to deletion of an entire page):
* [[Wikipedia:Copyright violations|Copyright violations]] and other material violating Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria|non-free content criteria]]
* [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|Vandalism]], including inflammatory [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirects]], [[Wikipedia:Attack page|pages that exist only to disparage their subject]], [[Wikipedia:Patent nonsense|patent nonsense]], or gibberish
* Advertising or other [[Wikipedia:Spam|spam]] without relevant content (but not an article about an advertising-related subject)
* [[Wikipedia:Content forking|Content forks]] (unless a merger or redirect is appropriate)
* Articles [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources]], including [[Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms|neologisms]], [[Wikipedia:No original research|original theories and conclusions]], and articles that are themselves [[Wikipedia:Don't create hoaxes|hoaxes]] (but not articles describing notable hoaxes)
* Articles for which thorough attempts to find [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] to [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verify]] them have failed
* Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability guideline]] ([[WP:N]], [[WP:BIO]], [[WP:MUSIC]], [[WP:CORP]] and so forth)
* Articles that breach Wikipedia's policy on [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biographies of living persons]]
* Any other content [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|not suitable]] for an encyclopedia
|Wikipedians|Reasons for deletion|[[Wikipedia:Deletion policy]]}}
 
 
 
Sorry, I wrote three questions at once and can't work out which ones you're saying yes/no to. Could you make your answers more detailed please?
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