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:::::Well, my point is it's downright obscure and can mean anything. And I hate to sound like a...well...hater, but what your describing as far as I know is not in the Bible :/. Why would God make someone be born again just to kill them twice, earthly and soulfully? As the way of the master puts it, someone who is not saved is born once and dies twice, and someone who is saved is born twice and dies once, where does being born twice and dying twice come into it? [[User:Homestarmy|Homestarmy]] 17:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:Eh, for many of us being born again comes through baptism. One saved we do not die soulfully, so I'm not sure what you mean by dying twice. But there are hypocrites out there who claim to be saved, when really they're not! That's from Matthew again. We cannot save ourselves, even through acceptance; God saves us. For many of us "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and are saved by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." That's based on the words of Paul, I don't have the time to find the exact reference right now. But, we agree that "acceptance" is too obscure. [[User:Archola|Arch O. La]]<sup><small><font color="green">[[User_talk:Archola|Talk]]</font></small></sup><font color="#404040">[[User:Archola/The_Centrist_Faction|TCF]]</font> 17:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
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