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::::That's exactly why these belong in the same section: We have a weird definition that makes old newspaper articles be routinely (and correctly, according to the academic standard) considered primary sources, but brand-new ones (except sometimes breaking news and eyewitness reports) be considered secondary sources—but ''only'' for notability purposes. If you're in a dispute over what's DUE, most types of recent newspaper reports (but not most types of magazine articles and not certain special types of newspaper articles, like stories on the 50 year anniversary of WWII) are going to be handled as primary sources.
::::We need to tell people what the academic standard is (thus the example from the 1800s), and how notability differs from it for recent events (thus the description of the "couple of years" grace period). Both of these are about notability, not just about newspapers. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 23:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::The implications of your proposed definition (for Wikipedia purposes) are far reaching. NOR says that articles should be based on secondary or tertiary sources. If we define newspapers as primary sources then thousands of articles on contemporary topics would become non-compliant, including scores of Featured Articles, such as [[2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final]], [[Barack Obama]], [[Richard Cordray]], [[South Australian state election, 2006]], [[Déjà Vu (Beyoncé Knowles song)]], [[Tropical Storm Nicole (2010)]], [[Brad Pitt]], [[300 (film)]], [[200 (Stargate SG-1)]], [[J. K. Rowling]], and [[Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy]]. In some cases, this proposal would mean that those featured articles should be deleted outright. As such, it is at odds with usual practice on Wikipedia, which treats newspaper and news magazine reports as secondary sources. <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]] </b> 00:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
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