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::I agree that Bruce has found Wikipedia's approach to primary sources inconvenient for adding his beliefs about Price's work to that article. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 19:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Here we see an example of editor hiding behind claims of belief to keep stuff out:
"The relationships between dental infections and degenerative diseases, if such exist, should be demonstrable by other means than the establishment of simply an association of the two in the same person, or the development of such lesions in experimental animals with cultures taken from focal infections."(Price, Weston A. (1925) "Dental Infection and related Degenerative Diseases" J Am Med Assoc 1925;84(4):254-261)
:::"In my search for the cause of degeneration of the human face and the dental organs I have been '''unable to find an approach to the problem through the study of affected individuals and diseased tissues'''. In my two volume work on "Dental Infections," Volume I, entitled "Dental Infections, Oral and Systemic," and Volume II, entitled "Dental Infections and the Degenerative Diseases," (PRICE, W. A. Dental Infections, Oral and Systemic. Cleveland, Penton, 1923) I reviewed at length the researches that I had conducted to throw light on this problem. '''The evidence seemed to indicate clearly that the forces that were at work were not to be found in the diseased tissues''', but that the undesirable conditions were the result of the absence of something, rather than of the presence of something. This strongly indicated the need for finding groups of individuals so physically perfect that they could be used as controls. In order to discover them, I determined to search out primitive racial stocks that were free from the degenerative processes with which we are concerned in order to note what they have that we do not have." (Price, Weston (1939) ''Nutrition and Physical Degeneration: A Comparison of Primitive and Modern Diets and Their Effects'' by Paul B. Hoeber, Inc; Medical Book Department of Harper & Brothers)
:::"It is very important that in the consideration of the dental caries problem it shall be kept in mind continually, that it is only one of a large group of symptoms of modern physical degeneration and when teeth are decaying other things are going wrong in the body. Fluorine treatment, like dental extractions, cannot be a panacea for dental caries." (Price, Weston (1939) ''Nutrition and Physical Degeneration: A Comparison of Primitive and Modern Diets and Their Effects'' by Paul B. Hoeber, Inc; Medical Book Department of Harper & Brothers)
:::This NOT my belief as WhatamIdoing claims but three exact quote that meet Verifiability and yet by playing the "oh they are primary sources" card editors insist on keeping them out even though they provide a more NPOV regarding Price's actual view rather than the distorted version that is largely the product of George E. Meinig.
:::In fact, if not for Gunnar Hasselgren's 1994 ''Annals of dentistry'': Volumes 53-54 New York Academy of Dentistry pg 42-43 review we editors wouldn't even know just how distorted Meinig's presentation really is--Meinig uses only Price's self published 1923 work and makes some conclusions that have no basis in anything (least of all Price).
:::The consensus of the editors ([[Talk:Weston_Price/Archive_2#Weston_Price_cautious_about_focal_infection_theory.3F]]) was that there were serious problems with the modern sources as there was evidence that they were going on how Price's work was being ''used'' rather than what Price himself actually said and did. For example it was shown using Price's own words that Stephen Barrett had no idea what he was talking about ([[Talk:Weston_Price/Archive_1#Weston_Price_and_Stephen_Barrett_in_their_own_words]]) and yet a reference to that nonsense is still in the article. We keep out peer reviewed papers but allow blogs. SAY WHAT?!!--[[User:BruceGrubb|BruceGrubb]] ([[User talk:BruceGrubb|talk]]) 21:25, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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