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The major use of secondary sources in Wikipedia is to show something has been noticed. As it is currently written a yellow pages directory of companies would be considered a secondary source, do we really want to consider that as source of notability? I think a lot more has to be made of the noticing and evaluating function of a secondary source. [[User:Dmcq|Dmcq]] ([[User talk:Dmcq|talk]]) 12:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:<s>I think that the yellow pages would be considered a tertiary source, rather than a secondary source.</s>
:Also, the yellow pages are paid advertisements. As such, they are entirely non-[[WP:Independent sources]] and completely worthless for showing notability. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 05:11, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
The yellow pages is not a secondary or a tertiary source. A secondary sources ''builds'' on the material from primary sources. The secondary source material must be somehow transformed primary source material, and is consequently a product of the primary source material (the facts) and the creativity of the author of the secondary source. In a simple directory, there is no creative content deriving from the "author" of the directory. A logical ordering or sorting of data is not creative transformation. --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 13:36, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
:On a second look, I can't find any independent assertion (i.e., not directly or indirectly from the English Wikipedia) that claims a telephone directory is a tertiary source. I did find [http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/carla.hendrix/lib101fall00/glossarybb.html one] that defined two other interesting axes: factual vs analytical sources and objective vs subjective sources. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 17:17, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
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