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:::Thanks, much! I will try out the borderless look (agree it looks great here). I definitely want things to look clean and professional, so maybe the borderless is a good approach. I guess I wonder a little about the SVG images that just sort of float don't have a square outline then. But only way to know is to try it. I will apply it to all. If you want to play with it also, in article, feel free. Like for the rocks, actually a bit more framing might even be nice (liked how they looked in gallery, but want stability of a table).[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 18:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== SOPA 'infographic' suggestion from editor Cirt. ==

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'''Article(s):''' [[SOPA]]

'''Request:''' An editor on the Sopa talkpage mentioned an 'Infographic', showing the 'impact of internet blackout' '''[http://www.propublica.org/nerds/item/sopa-opera-update here]''' and '''[http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/12334/ here]''' which by the looks of it is assembled from, or could be assembled from, pictures that are '''[[Current members of the United States House of Representatives|here]]''',. I don't know if it would be easy or hard, or worth it or not, any ideas ? is it worth it ? <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span>_{[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]} 00:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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Easy, but tedious and of limited and fleeting value. I think a simple bar graph is a much simpler and just as effective way to convey the visual information. I suspect there are Wikipedia graph templates already written that would do nicely. You might also back up the graph with a text-based chart showing in detail who supported and who opposed. This would most definitely be more useful than an illegible cluster of tiny images. The same model can be used for similar issues without needing to whip up a new image every time. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 03:28, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

:''"Easy, but tedious and of limited and fleeting value."'' Couldn't have put it better myself. I tried to come up with an analogy involving Sisyphus earlier, but even doing that seemed like a waste of time. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 06:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

::That is Brilliant thinking guys, I'll echo your insightful comment to the talkpage for the users there. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span>_{[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]} 18:17, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

:::Actually, I was just about to mark it as resolved, and then I recalled that the impact of the image is provided mainly by the Before the blackout day compared to after the blackout day comparison, which is a static image. So I think I'll leave it open just in case someone thinks so too. Because that'd be one image, with no updates. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span>_{[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]} 18:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

::::Sorry, I thought that you were suggesting using wikimarkup to produce a table of small linked images, or regularly updating such a table to show how the vote is swinging. If you just want to use a single image, and the image is copyright free, you could [[Special:Upload|upload]] it, then if you want some of the whitespace removing (to make the photographs proportionally larger) you could post it here. I'd do the editing for you, I just don't enjoy trying to work out copyright issues. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 23:47, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::Actually, if you really want to whip this thing up (the image Penyulap refers to is almost certainly copyrighted) one way to go about it might be to make a table on your user (sub)page that is large enough to be legible, then make a screen capture of it. The image(s) can then be placed in the article at reduced size allowing the reader to click on it for the full size image(s). That would at least solve the legibility problem. I would advise against using the table itself in the article because of it's sheer size, and number of images. I would also suggest you leave the table on your user subpage just in case you need to make any corrections later. If you do decide to dive into this, I shudder at the amount of tedious labor that lies ahead of you. You're a more dedicated Wikipedian than me ;-) &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 12:53, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::Aww shucks :) I was just trying to find the easiest path for the other editors idea, I just know where to find the experts is all :) <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span>_{[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]} 15:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

== improve (lighten?) background ==

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'''Article(s):''' [[Fluorine]]

'''Request:''' I like the picture of the man and the boy and that we can see the fluoride goop (that is the point). Background seems a little dark or distracting. If you can do anything to improve, 'preciated. (sorry, the request is not more definite, just see if any manuipulation is warranted. I have to display this small in article, so I like it to be clean and attention on the figures and the fluoride. [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 20:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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My own opinion is that the image is fine just as it is. That said, I made a cropped version... a little tighter on the kid. Maybe that will do it for you without fiddling with a perfectly good image ;-) &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 20:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

:Cool. I just wanted to ask. I think I will stick with the uncropped for now. Like seeing both figures. Thanks man.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 21:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

::I've lightened the image, adjusted the gamma, and slightly cropped the right side while retaining both figures in full. See if that makes it any better for you. If not, revert to the original image. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 22:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

:::Thanks man. I can't see a difference, actually. Am leaving your modified version as current. Thanks again. Peace.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 22:24, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

::::To see a difference you probably should reload the page once of twice so that your browser displays the new version instead of the old one in your computer's cache. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 22:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::Peachy, now the little black boy is a little quadroon. Centpacrr, do you ever just decide an image is good just as it is, or do you have the uncontrollable urge to fiddle with every single one that passes within reach? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 22:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::I must be a fiddler too, because I like the new lighter version. Looks like a black kid with light on his face, doesn't seem to have changed skin color. Anyhow, peace please. If the image people start hating me, that will be everyone at Wiki down on me. ;-) [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 22:47, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::I wouldn't call you a fiddler... at this moment simply an enabler ;-) &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 23:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

*TCO you have done absolutely nothing "wrong" or inappropriate here, and your requests will always be welcome and most appreciated. Please don't allow anything said by others in here drive you away or make this an uncomfortable experience for you. You originally asked for this image to be lightened which I did after after you had rejected the cropped version which was perfectly appropriate on your part as the requester. As I mentioned in my note above, you should also feel free to revert my version back to the original if you think it is not an improvement. That being the case, I really don't know what User:JBarta's issue is here. Digital image manipulation is a subjective "art" in which each of its practitioners are bound to have different views on what they think looks best. Each is, of course, perfectly entitled to his or her own views of that as am I. That being the case, the tone of how JBarta expressed his personal disagreement with my approach in his comment above is thus puzzling and ultimately unhelpful. (Calling a requester an "enabler" because he liked one version over another seems particularly inappropriate.) This project is not a "competition" with "winners and loser" -- at least not to me -- so in the future I would ask ''all'' contributors to please respect and assume good faith on part all the others to the project as I always try to do myself. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

::Yes, my "tone" can be a little abrasive. I've heard that once or twice. I'd apologize, but what's the sense? I wouldn't really mean it and I'd just do it again another time. (I'm reminded of the guy who got thrown out of anger management classes... for being angry.) Hopefully the good outweighs the bad and the occasional help I volunteer makes up for my disagreeable disagreeing. And no TCO, ''you'' didn't do anything wrong... it's all Centpacrr's fault ;-) &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I have gotten HUGE HELP from each of you. (JBarta just did a bunch of assists for me. He and I just like to joke around about things. He's the pretty girl at the bar and I'm the fat friend...we make jokes like that. ;-))

I want to keep the light color. I know the argument that it is a false manipulation, but the issue is that people are looking at it in article and it is small and embedded in text and seen on a computer screen(probaly a flat panel display), so if it is a dark blotch, they may pass on looking at it. Like it clean and simple (so light is good).

I'm not even joking (don't hurt me Hammer!) but as long as we are "cheating", '''could you please cut the chair out that is above the man's face and just clone in some background or the like'''? [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 00:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::OK, give me a few minutes. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 00:11, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::Without wishing to take sides I think that the lightened version is pretty awful. The adjustment has brought out some horrible banding on the floor and walls, and accentuated the colour artifacts in the boy's face and the man's hair. I also think that lightening the tone of coloured skin is a minefield. In this instance the photograph is well exposed (though perhaps taken from too close up) and the boy is a very natural tone. Even the flouride has changed so that it looks more like urine! I also disagree with removing the chair - it's a good way of setting a scene and the alternative (more floor?) would add nothing. I'll give it a subtle tweek myself. ..Not to scoff at Centpacrr's efforts! ''';-)''' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 00:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::One of the mistakes that people make is to worry too much about how a thumbnail looks... sometimes to the detriment of the full size image. A thumbnail is just that, a thumbnail to be clicked on for the full image. If the full image suffers because you think a thumbnail looks better, then you have done a disservice to Wikipedia (in my abrasive opinion of course) &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 00:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::Neutral background version uploaded as requested. TCO, please feel free to accept or reject it. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 00:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::I like the modified version. Thanks, man. (no offense to others that I have huge respect for). I just value the appearance in thumb. Have a busy article and cleaner, more simple pics help me. Again, mea culpa for the manipulation, but I like the effect in context. Now heading out to lift weights...peace.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 00:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::Well that just went from bad to terrible. It's taking everything I've got to hold back and not revert the thing... &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 00:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::Centpacrr, with all due respect, I would just clone the floor around to remove the chair, leaving the wall and other cute details (yes, there are some difficult spots, and not removing the chair is not a bad option :-). The blue background makes it look unrealistic - like a blue-screen shot staged for a movie, while the past background was very casual. [[User:Materialscientist|Materialscientist]] ([[User talk:Materialscientist|talk]]) 00:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::Not sure what that blue background is supposed to achieve! I've uploaded my own VERY SUBTLY adjusted image. The point, I think, is to remove artifacts and help focus the viewer's attention on the salient areas. The slight sharpening of an image may also help to improve the thumbnail, too. Each to his own, perhaps - revert if you wish. 'Peace out!' or some such. ''';-)''' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 01:18, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::The neutral background version is what the ''requester'' asked for because it is the best fit for the way he is using it in his article. As he stated above, he wants a "neutral background" so that what is being illustrated (and the purpose of this image is to be an "illustration", not a "picture") is not lost in the thumbnail version on the page (see his comment above). Since this is TCO's illustration that he placed in his article, why not let ''him'' decide how he wants to use it to illustrate the point he is making instead of constantly second guessing what he as the requester wants. Again show a little good faith in TCO's judgement or you are just going to drive him and others away. Entirely too much kerfuffle has been made about this so please just give it a rest and TCO decide what he wants to use and respect his decision. He now has a variety of versions to pick from. Once he does so, leave it at that instead of trying to constantly impose personal views on ''his'' original work. I personally do not intend to do anything further on this particular illustration and I don't see why anybody else, except TCO, should either. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 01:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::::''"Since this is TCO's illustration that he placed in his article"'' -- There's that [[WP:OWN|ownership]] issue rearing its ugly head again. Haven't we bed that one down yet? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 02:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::With [[WP:AGF|all due respect]] Centpacrr, I ''did'' read the request and I compared all versions of the image ''before'' chiming in. And without wishing to sound egotistical, I have considerable experience of retouching, so when someone asks for a specific image adjustment I often offer the benefits of my 'wisdom' instead. I mean no disrespect when I say that a chromakey blue background is ''far'' from neutral. Anyway, I have uploaded my own effort, as you have done, and I don't intend to do anything more. There is no kerfuffle here. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 02:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::::::I have to say Nagualdesign, I'm not liking your edit much either. It's oversharpened and there are now white spots around the kids eyes. Seriously now, there is nothing wrong with the original image (other than somewhat high jpg compression). Can we at least agree that the original image is perfectly fine? Once we do that, then maybe we can claw our way up to telling the requester his request is flawed. Just because someone makes a request, that doesn't mean it's a good idea. And being the supposed "graphics experts" it seems to me that it's OUR responsibility to suggest what should or should not be done and offer our reasons why. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 03:55, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::::Fair comment. And I totally agree that the original image is fine. I was trying to find a happy medium between the thumbnail and full-size image - trying to improve the thumbnail without deteriorating the full-size - without being too brutal (and without changing the boy's ethnicity - another thing we agree on!) as I interpreted the request to mean "make the people stand out more from the background. Perhaps I did go a little too far with the sharpening, but I must say that I was quite pleased with my blurring of the background. (I was trying to reduce the apparent focal depth, and hide the jaggies in the background.) ''Just because someone makes a request, that doesn't mean it's a good idea.'' Yes, that's what I was trying to say above. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 09:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

*By "his" article I mean that of the editors who have commented here he is the only one with a history of contributing to the article and its development. He is also the one who posted the image and asked for help with it to best use as an illustration. He asked for a more neutral background and I provided what I thought he wanted to which he replied ''"I like the modified version. Thanks, man. (no offense to others that I have huge respect for). I just value the appearance in thumb. Have a busy article and cleaner, more simple pics help me."'' Because of his intimate connection to, manifested interest in, and established status as a developer of the article, I think TCO's view as to how to use the illustration deserves defference of everyone in here just as I would deffer to any other editor in the same circumstances.

*As for background in digital image restoration and "retouching" I have been doing this professionally for more then fifteen years as you can see from my [http://digitalimageservices.com '''website''']. I repeat, however, this is not a "competition" so please don't treat is as such. TCO brought the illustration here and he should therefore be the final arbiter as to which one best serves the purpose that he is trying to achieve. As I have said several times now, he is free to accept or reject either of my two versions, those of any other contributor, or to use the original. But the choice should be up to him as the original requester and the party with the greatest interest in its use without that being hijacked by anyone else. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 03:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::I'm not sure why you thought I was treating this as a competition. I thought your original attempt was a bit slapdash is all, and I was merely trying to offer my own suggestion. To upload it I necessarily had to 'overwrite' yours, but I said beforehand what I was going to do and why, and the revert button is still fully operational. Seriously Centpacrr, nobody is having a go at anyone here and there's no need to get your hackles up. I'm sure you must agree that the 'lightened as requested' image was not one of your best. I totally agree that TCO should be free to choose whichever image, too (hence offering a choice), but I strongly disagree with the idea of "the party with the greatest interest" and especially with the word "hijacked"! Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, so I've said and done my bit. I was just trying to offer a 'third way', not play piggy in the middle. I don't want to get into an argument, thanks. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 09:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::I was only looking to provide the original requester what he had asked for. When I did I then noted above ''"Neutral background version uploaded as requested. TCO, please feel free to accept or reject it."'' Three minutes later TCO replied in this thread ''"I like the modified version. Thanks, man. (no offense to others that I have huge respect for). I just value the appearance in thumb. Have a busy article and cleaner, more simple pics help me."'' which seemed to resolve the matter to his satisfaction. I would have had no problem whatsoever if TCO had rejected this or my earlier option which he also said he liked better than the original image.

:::My issue instead is with the dismissive and eldering tone taken by another editor who had commented to me (after his version had been rejected earlier by the requester) that ''"Peachy, now the little black boy is a little quadroon. Centpacrr, do you ever just decide an image is good just as it is, or do you have the uncontrollable urge to fiddle with every single one that passes within reach?"'' This comment is what "got my hackles up" as I found its tone to be disrespectful, condescending, and inconsistent with the collaborative spirit of the Wikipedia project. What struck me as "hijacking" was ignoring the requester's acceptance and preference for a neutral background illustration by it subsequently being reverted to what is essentially the original version that TCO had found wanting for the reasons he stated above. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 11:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::I'm pretty sure that JB's comments, ''"I wouldn't call you a fiddler... at this moment simply an enabler"'' and ''"no TCO, you didn't do anything wrong... it's all Centpacrr's fault"'' were lighthearted and firmly tongue-in-cheek, and his other observations were quite valid. Sometimes it's best to 'conscientiously object' to a request, especially when it comes to altering skin tone. Concepts such as not wanting to look at a ''"dark blotch"'' and liking it ''"clean and simple"'' obstensibly walk a fine line between acceptability and ''you-know-what''. Anyway, you've said your piece several times now, let's just forget about the whole thing, eh? Kind regards, [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 11:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::I have no problem with differences in views among editors, only with the condescending and eldering tone with which they were expressed in this and a few previous instances by a small number of editors. I believe that all parties are now aware, however, that such an approach will not work in discussing WP issues with me and trust that it will no happen in the future. Thank you for your follow up here as I enjoy contributing my skills and experiences to this area on WP as I would be disappointed if I felt forced to decide to leave because of an uncollegial atmosphere. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 12:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::Yes, I had to 'bitch slap' JB myself on day one. (''I'm exaggerating here for comic effect!'') He can be a very rude bwai sometimes. I quite like his humour though, and his candor, and you can't have candor without sometimes being condescending. Never mind, eh? ''':-)''' Also, I think that you'd uploaded your <s>chromakey</s> ''neutral'' version whilst I was still working on mine, so when I uploaded mine and came back here it may have looked like I'd ignored TCO's acceptance and just reverted your efforts. That wasn't the case at all, but I apologise for any confusion caused. Anyway, TCO seems to have made his mind up and it looks like I won, so ''screw you, assholes!'' (I&nbsp;jest!) [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 13:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::Bitch slap? There's a personal attack in there somewhere. Might even be a little eldering. Such an approach will not work with me... &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 13:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::::I was trying to sound American. African-American I suppose. It all came across as terribly English though didn't it, what what? Seriously though, do try to be less uncollegial, old chap. You are anaspeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused Centerparcs such pericombobulation. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 13:52, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::Centpacrr will come through this just fine. No worries. And I always wondered... are black people in England also African-American? Or maybe they are African-English? It's all so confusing. (And British humor is lost on we Ameicans. You made me look up words I've never heard only to learn they are from a TV show I've never seen. You Brits are a goofy bunch.) &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 14:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::::::There's every kind of black person in England, from Indians to West Indians, but they're mostly descended from the waves of immigrants that came over in the past 60 years. Although there was a thriving slave trade in the UK (Liverpool docks are riddled with slave tunnels) once upon a time, there's very little evidence left. I suppose most Africans in the UK went home or emigrated to other countries, whereas in America they were kind of stranded, so they just asserted their American nationality. Also, any Africans that come to the UK now know exactly which country they came from, so they call themselves Nigerians or Eritreans or whatever. ...If you're interested, check out this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08 YouTube video], which features Hugh Laurie (Dr Gregory House) and Rowan Atkinson (Mr Bean) in their native attire (circa 1987). We all dressed like that in those days. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 15:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

== Boyd, Brodie, Kibbey, Sloan, Baylor==

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File:James Harbottle Boyd outside Iolani Palace.jpg|Clean up some minor blemishes and dust on this photograph

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'''Article(s):''' [[James Harbottle Boyd]], [[Alexander Oswald Brodie]], [[Joseph Henry Kibbey]], [[Richard Elihu Sloan]], [[John Baylor]]

'''Request:''' Request next to images... [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 05:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{I take|PawełMM}}

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{{Done}}: Done as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 21:05, 24 January 2012 (UTC)