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== International space station altitude chart ==

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'''Article(s):''' [[International space station]]

'''Request:''' Would it be possible to integrate the above image with the following charts ([http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LgV3TvFeAKc/Sbkd8lP5ZwI/AAAAAAAAAXY/LM9M1HWPtUE/s320/ISS+Height.PNG 2008/09], [http://www.scibuff.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/iss-height.png 2009], [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8hVeo-tidFI/TO7fP-iJlAI/AAAAAAAADpc/lGl5zoYDjig/s1600/OrbitHeightPlot.jpg 2009/10], [http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ee9cb5021998.png 2010/11], [http://www.heavens-above.com/OrbitHeightPlot.aspx?Width=600&Height=400&satid=25544 2011]) and make a chart with up to date information? '''[[User talk:U5K0|U5K0'sTalk]]'''_{Make [[WP:LOVE|WikiLove]] not [[WP:EDITWAR|WikiWar]]} 15:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion(s):''' All these would be much easier (and accurate) to do with the raw data available. Do you know the source? [[User:Jkwchui|Jon C]] ([[User talk:Jkwchui|talk]]) 09:13, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

:Unfortunately I don't. If I knew where to get that, I probubly wouldn't have to bother you guys with this. The source of the graphs is [http://www.heavens-above.com/IssHeight.aspx heavens-above.com]. --'''[[User talk:U5K0|U5K0'sTalk]]'''_{Make [[WP:LOVE|WikiLove]] not [[WP:EDITWAR|WikiWar]]} 15:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

'''Comment''' The screengrabs from heavens-above we can use without distraction caused by copyright. Chris Peat, the owner of the copyright (and website) has given me written permission to 'use any material' from his site, such as the images such as the images I added to the [[Heavens-Above]] article and I reasonably expect he would respond positively if any clarification is required. I have written asking him in regards to the raw data, and await his response. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span>_{[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]} 05:48, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

:no response from Chris Peat as yet. I'd suggest going ahead with it is a good idea, if there is interest. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span>_{[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]} 04:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

:Still no response from Chris <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span>_{[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]} 15:52, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

'''Response from Chris''' Chris says the chart of the ISS height comes from his database of historical orbital elements. When he downloads a new set of elements from the Spacetrack web site, the old ones are archived, not discarded. He suggests you can also request historical data from the Spacetrack site directly. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span>_{[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]} 04:21, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

: I've requested an account with Spacetrack. I'll report back if my application goes through. [[User:Jkwchui|Jon C]] ([[User talk:Jkwchui|talk]]) 06:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

'''Data''': So I've acquired an account on Spacetrack, and queried for ISS (1998-067A; cat# 25544). It spits (large volumes of) raw data, which I suppose someone could write code to parse --- but nowhere in that data do I see altitude. Is it referred to by another name? [[User:Jkwchui|Jon C]] ([[User talk:Jkwchui|talk]]) 12:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

::Unsure. It's true that there would be tons of data there and that's something I would expect that they would track. <span style="text-shadow:#808080 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em" class="texhtml">[[User:Hazmat2|The Haz]] _{[[User talk:Hazmat2|<font color="black">talk</font>]]}</span> 02:25, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

::: If anyone wants to look at what the satellite data contains, the data format is shown on [https://www.space-track.org/tle_format.html this page]. [[User:Jkwchui|Jon C]] ([[User talk:Jkwchui|talk]]) 09:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

::::Orbit data is described in [[Orbital elements]]. Basically, the ellips is described in some six parameters. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 13:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::[http://www.satellite-calculations.com/TLETracker/SatTracker.htm This website] appears to take the TLE data, and calculate the satellite's altitude based on it. I don't know how easy this calculation is; probably [[mean anomaly]] and [[mean motion]] are all you need for a good approximation (both of which are given in the data).. but I'm not sure. [[User:Mlm42|Mlm42]] ([[User talk:Mlm42|talk]]) 17:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::Working backwards through that javascript source, the height is in position 40 of the output array, namely the calculated orbit radius (relative to the centre of the earth) minus the equatorial radius of the Earth. The orbit radius is the length of the hypotenuse of the triangle described by X0 and Y0 components of the perifocal coordinate system. X0 is calculated as semimajor axis * cos(E) - eccentricity. Y0 is calculated as semimajor axis * sqrt(1 - eccentricity^2) * sin(E).... Things get a little more complicated from here for this time of the night, I might pick it up again later. [[User:Gringer|gringer]] ([[User talk:Gringer|talk]]) 01:14, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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== Outstanding suggestions for Top-4 ==

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'''Article(s):''' Various

'''Request:''' These are backlogged requests for the Top-4 in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop/Top_4 Talk page]. Some of them are more involved and may require extended time for fulfillment, so I've moved them here accordingly. All of these are requests to vectorize; some may have elements that were previously vectorized. [[User:Jkwchui|Jon C]] ([[User talk:Jkwchui|talk]]) 09:03, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion(s):'''

:I've made a start on the third: [[:File:Coat of arms of the Kingdom of Bavaria.svg]]. Hopefully someone can take it and run? <span style="color:#3A3A3A">'''Grandiose''' </span><span style="color:gray">([[User:Grandiose|me]], [[User_talk:Grandiose|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Grandiose|contribs]]) </span> 17:11, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

:I've also created [[:File:Bureau of Indian Affairs.svg]], if someone could tweak the categories and usage, that would be great. Thanks! <span style="color:#3A3A3A">'''Grandiose''' </span><span style="color:gray">([[User:Grandiose|me]], [[User_talk:Grandiose|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Grandiose|contribs]]) </span> 23:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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== Logo of Rēzeknes Satiksme ==

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'''Article(s):''' [[:lv:Rēzeknes Satiksme]]

'''Request:''' Create SVG logo of Rēzeknes Satiksme from [http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8576/p1212616.jpg this photo] --[[User:Dark Eagle|Dark Eagle]] ([[User talk:Dark Eagle|talk]]) 11:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

'''Graphist opinion(s):'''

*I am willing to bet that logo is copyright in it's own country, and would be copyrightable in the US, so the svg would not be free. --[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 14:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

*:Thanks CO, but if someone will create logo of Rēzeknes Satiksme than I'll create article about this company. (it's like [[Rīgas Satiksme]]) --[[User:Dark Eagle|Dark Eagle]] ([[User talk:Dark Eagle|talk]]) 18:35, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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== Map of separatist moviments in UK ==

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'''Article(s):''' [[List of active separatist movements in Europe]]

'''Request:''' Colour Yorkshire in a different colour, as it also has an independence movement. {{unsigned|154.50.194.2}}

'''Graphist opinion(s):'''

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Is there consensus in the article talk page (or elsewhere) that colouring Yorkshire (rather than perhaps anywhere else too? Wessex? Ulster? or nowhere else?) is best for the purposes of the article? <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;">^talk</span>]]</span> 12:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

*I just want Yorkshire to be coloured in, not Wessex or Ulster. {{unsigned|154.50.194.2}}

:* Why? <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;">^talk</span>]]</span> 16:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Just adding an additional note that the filename is incorrectly spelt. It should probably be moved to [[:File:Map of separatist movements in UK.svg]], or maybe [[:File:Map of separatist movements in the UK.svg]], if it is to be used. I fixed the same spelling error in the article for you, here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe&diff=472601504&oldid=472335529] Thanks. <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;">^talk</span>]]</span> 12:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

*If the map is to be of any use, it needs to show all the separatist areas in the British Isles, and replace the current misspelled entry. It would then fit with the Spanish and French maps in the article. Are you guys able to do that based on the info in the article, or do you need some data as to where Wessex and Yorkshire are? [[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 14:47, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

:*One of the problems with that is that many areas would overlap. England - Cornwall/Wessex : United Ireland - Ulster. With clever shading and labelling, it's not insurmountable, but why aren't we asking here, now I think of it: [[Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop]] ? <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;">^talk</span>]]</span> 14:51, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

:::Sorry, the above was more musing than a request. If I were asking, I'd ask over at the map page. [[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 16:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

::::Yeah, I'm musing too, really. I'm not even sure it adds much to that list article as it is. I've removed it from the article and started [[Talk:List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe#United_Kingdom_Map|a talk page discussion]]. It's not much use as it is, and it needs a much clearer plan before it gets requested anywhere. <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">[[User:Begoon|<span style="color:#0645AD;">Begoon</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Begoon|<span style="color:gray;">^talk</span>]]</span> 17:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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== Logos of Companies ==