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I wasn't here at the beginning, I was invited but doubted that people would write articles for free ... Whatever they close this attempt to strengthen policy implementation , the fact that users are desirous of pointy avoidance/weak policy asserts, those glory days are over and this appears IMO to be the death throes of the project, unless we strengthen [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:V]] - Weakly cited opinionated content is worse than nothing - uninvolved people/readers are now fully aware of the weakness and opinionated aspect of content here, and do not trust content here. Limited application of pending changes may well help to raise trust in small sectors of our content and protect a few limited notability subjects - if not we can remove it as easy we add it - its not wheels dropping off its just a tool in the box.. that might , in a limited way, raise trust between the reader and the project and strengthen the project moving forwards.<font color="purple">[[User:Youreallycan|You]]</font><font color="orange">really</font><font color="red">[[User talk:Youreallycan|can]]</font> 18:57, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

:I would argue the bulk of that issue rests with the "my way or the highway" mentality of most of the editors here. It's not an issue of sourcing; it's an issue of psychology and public perception, and always has been. Pending Changes would only exacerbate these issues by making the perceived elitism more prevalent. —<font color="228B22">[[User:Jéské Couriano|''Jeremy'']] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|v^_^v]]</font> ^{<small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Bori!]]</small>} 20:28, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

::[[User:Youreallycan]], I agree with you that [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:V]] have to be strengthened, but [[WP:PC|pending changes]] won't really help. I expect that if PC is implemented, it will reduce the amount of [[WP:VAN|vandalism]], but will substantially increase what I call "article capture." Article capture is when one or more editors takes control of an article, and prevents any changes to it -- see [[WP:TAGTEAM]]. Usually article capture occurs on low-traffic [[WP:BLP|BLP]] or [[WP:controversy|controversy]] article where the main editors undue changes that they dislike so that the article retains a certain [[WP:POV|point of view]]. Rather than eliminate [[WP:BIAS|biased content]], PC, particularly PC2, will make it much harder to get rid of it. Currently, any editor can remove [[WP:CRAP|crap]], whereas with PC, I see articles being locked up so that only reviewers and admins can fix them. [[User:NJ Wine|NJ Wine]] ([[User talk:NJ Wine|talk]]) 21:04, 27 May 2012 (UTC)