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What I would like to do though is somehow, if possible, dynamically change the main part of the temaplate to display Arizona as the Main text with United States where Arizona is currently embedded, but only if something other than WPUS is there. The only way I could think of doing this was to create some kind of template switch that would look at something like

{{WikiProject United States/Arizona|US=Yes|category=no}} if the AZ parameter =yes and if so then it would display that instead of the WPUS/AZ example above. This would allow AZ to have top billing of WPUS but still display them both. I thought I could do it by using the BANNER NAME parameter like in Template WikiProject Computing but I couldn't make it work. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 21:23, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

== Questions ==

I am currently working on a major overhaul of the Christianity WikiProject Banner at [[User:John Carter/Christianity banner]]. Beyond the existing problems with the banner's sometimes unusual phrasing, two other questions come to mind:

*1) How would I implement FM class in the banner

*2) Is there any extant way in the template to indicate, like [[Template:WikiProject India]] does, when an article was last assessed? [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 20:41, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

:*1) set QUALITY_SCALE = subpage and then create a /class subpage with the following code:

<pre>

{{class mask<noinclude>/templatepage</noinclude>|{{{class|}}}

|topic=Christianity

|FQS=yes

|book=yes

|redirect=yes

|fm=yes

}}

</pre>

:*2) Not at present. A standardised version could be made into a [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks|hook template]]. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 20:58, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

== Problem with Redirect not working with banners ==

There is a rather lengthy discussion brewing on my talk page [[User talk:Kumioko|here]] about errors caused by adding WikiProject banners on article talk pages with redirects. Obviously adding the banner above the redirect breaks the redirect so I had been adding the banner below that to ensure the article was tagged for the project but now have been told that this breaks the redirect too. Currently there are about 26300 redirect tagged for WikiProject United States/one of the supported projects and of these about 1350 are showing up on [http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py?page=Template:WikiProject_United_States the toolserver] as a broken link. For most of these I can probably just remove the #REDIRECT from the talk page, leave the banner and move on with my day but for some they are both needed.

So, is there a technical way to allow a page to contain #Redirect as well as a WikiProject Banner? My first thought is to create a template similar to [[template:Category redirect]] so that they can both function in the cases where its necessary to redirect the talk page and have a banner (which obviously isn't always needed) but I'm not sure if this the best way or the only way. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 17:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

:You might want to consider using {{tl|Soft redirect}} which is not a proper redirect but would at least provide a link to the other talk page. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 19:51, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

::Thank you would that allow the redirect to function along with the banner and can I use that in all namespaces or just certain ones? [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 20:09, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

:::I think so, the code for the soft redirect tmp shows "talkspace". --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 20:19, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

::::It works in most namespaces but shouldn't be used for category pages. See [[Wikipedia:Soft redirect]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 21:11, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

:::::Great thank you. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 22:38, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

'''Oppose''' this breaks the functionality of the redirect, requiring an extra click; that's much more important than the WikiProject tag. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 08:34, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

:Its not a perfect solution but if I can't do it this way I will, in most cases, have to remove the #Redirect from the talk page when tagging it anyway in order for the main page to be tracked. Otherwise the page will have to be tagged with the categories directly rather than the template and that is counter productive and confusing. There needs to be a way to tag these pages with the template. I don't know how to do it personally but I am 100% sure that there is a technical solution to this problem. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 13:51, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

::Certainly not. What is more important, having a functioning redirect, or having a WikiProject tag? (By the way, don't use AWB to do this, as it is clearly controversial). --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 22:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

:::Well I think there both important and I think that fixing the problem is important too particularly if its a known issue and its been going on for a while which its seems to have been. What does seem to irritate me is that this is turning into a USRoads against United States discussion and it shouldn't be. There's no need for threats and there's no room on Wikipedia for article ownership. The bottom line is there is a problem with the template that is causing redirects to not work. Either we need to fix the template or we need to do a bugzilla report and work it from the Wikisoftare side but clearly and without a doubt in my mind there is a fix to this problem that doesn't involve turning this into an us against them dispute. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 23:07, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

::::If you put the redirect at the top, and the WikiProject banner below that, the redirect works, as does the categorisation, even though the banner does not show. See {{oldid|User talk:Redrose64/Sandbox2|497094687|here}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 18:09, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

:::::Thats what I thought to but Rschen7754 and a couple of others insist it breaks the redirect. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 19:19, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

::::::No... my opposition is to your using a soft redirect. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 19:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

:::::::Sorry Rschen7754 I must have misunderstood the discussion you started on my page [[User talk:Kumioko|here]] where you and Imzadi were indicating that I was breaking the redirects by applying banners. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 19:51, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

::::::::Well, I also oppose your putting the banner as the very first thing on a redirect page, as that clearly breaks the redirect. When you're using AWB you have to be careful that you don't break pages. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 19:59, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::I again find myself confused because I have purposfully putting the banner '''below''' the redirect because I knew that putting the banner above the redirect caused the redirect to not function. I am fine with the banner not showing on redirects but it still helps for categorization purposes and so bots like ArticleAlertbot will function. In fact I have logic built in AWB that will not allow me (at least I haven't found an exception yet) to put the banner above the redirect. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 20:12, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

::::::::::Putting the template below the redirect code still breaks the redirect page, as has been explained above; not as badly, but it still does. Furthermore, I oppose this on the grounds that you're adding ''another project's pages in project space'' to your WikiProject. I'm sorry, but this is a solution looking for a problem. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 20:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::::The bottom line is this is another ridiculous attempt at article ownership by you and certain members of US Roads. Your using the excuse that I am breaking redirects but thats what it boils down too. The fact that you and some other members of USRoads think that they have sole ownership over pages that say stuff like WikiProject Rhode Islands roads and that Rhode Island nor United States have the right to put their banner on it andn watch it is pure hog wash. If it says USRoads X or WikiProject US Roads X or something like that you '''might''' have a leg to stand on but even then I doubt it. If the page pertains to another project like a State project or a City project then there is an inferred collaboration wether you choose to accept that or not. I have already told you that US Roads is free to tag whatever they want if they think it will help yuor project or the articles in it. You don't have the right to tell our project that we can't tag it. Period. I'm not going to keep having this debate with you just because no one wants to enforce the article ownership policy and I'mm getting really tired of the same 3-5 members of US Roads ganging up on me every time I tag an article in your scope. Get over it, you don't own them. [[User:Kumioko|Kumioko]] ([[User talk:Kumioko|talk]]) 20:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)