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#:''Added later:'' I would oppose the newer proposal, about having a community discussion closed by a bureaucrat, for each class project. That would be ''way'' too time-consuming. However, I would not object to an RfA-like process for anyone who is not already an administrator on the English Wikipedia who wants to be able to ''give out'' the permissions. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
# I agree with Tryptofish. :) [[User:Banaticus|Banaticus]] ([[User talk:Banaticus|talk]]) 01:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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#Why should we restrict other people than those officially permitted by the Ed Program from using it? However that program is eventually set up, and we can expect several different arrangements during a period of transition. there will be other ways to run courses. Some of them will probably be as good as the official way. Had we in the past been limited to what the education program of the time did, we would have lost many good courses. I am reasonably confident that the new program, under the control of its own organization and benefitting from several terms of experience, will be substantially better than what the Foundation has been doing, but it won't be perfect. I am reasonably confident, but I am not certain; there's at least a potential that it might not be satisfactory--for example, that it might have requirements at odds with what the others at enWP think productive. At present, the plans are to have it entirely separate both from us and the Foundation. If we do this, we are setting up something to be run on the enWP that will not be under the control of the enWP. It's absurd at this stage to be this inflexible.
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# The less WMF in this, the better. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 13:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
# This is probably the best way to start out. It won't be the WMF in control at first exactly, it will be some hybrid between the WMF and the new Program, but we do not yet know what it will be. It doesn't make sense for us to hand over something we do not yet understand to a group that we do not yet understand, and that will furthermore will be changing progressively over the next year. The principle should remain that anything to run on enWP should be under the control of enWP, not of someone else.. We may prove not to even need that much control, but this is probably the most realistic way to start out. We have learned what happens by having outside programs run things for us. I am not convinced the foundation's proposal for a fully independent structure will actually be the best--after all, their track record for organizing things of this sort has been rather discouraging. I hope the new group will decide not to be wholly independent of enWP--how much independence it should have will necessarily be a matter of experimentation, and the whole point of experimentation is that the planned experiment might not work. We need this as a backup '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 05:02, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
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===Configure for use by any autoconfirmed user===
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# Or this, no real preference for now. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</font>]]</sub> 21:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
# Like Piotr, I think this is quite possible. I am not altogether sure it will be the best thing to do immediately, but I think it safe. The reason I think it safe is that no real harm can be done--we do have the ultimate control where it belongs. , of deleting articles by AfD , and other pages--including course pages if necessary, by MfD. By appearing open, we will best fulfill the general philosophy of Wikipedia, We may have programs in conjunction with schools, but we can ahardly pretend we know the only way of doing it right. I would be willing to try this immediately, but I can understand that others might not yet feel totally confident about it.
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===Configure the administrative roles to be managed by bureaucrats===
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* <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''</sup></span> 01:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
* All courses, regardless of whether they are part of the WEP, should be vetted by the community. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 14:05, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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===Configure some other way===
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