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:: In the [[List of finite element software packages]], most software packages reference their own Wikipedia articles; at present there is one with just an external reference. [[List of numerical analysis software]] is the same way, with more external references. Wikipedia articles are not necessarily reliable sources, but people seem OK with citing them in these lists. Vendors/projects can generally be relied upon to provide accurate technical specifications about their own software, it is just that they are not neutral. Perhaps they fall under [[WP:SELFSOURCE]] category of reliable sources? I haven't looked at the status of the FDTD packages to see if they have reliable secondary sources available or Wikipedia articles. [[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]] ([[User talk:Mark viking|talk]]) 14:35, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
:::What I object to here is the unqualified inclusion of all and sundry. If there were RS doing comparisons of packages that could be included (whether in the main article or a separate list article is irrelevant) but a list of EL without ''independent'' RS is not really acceptable. Comparisons with other articles does not really cut it either per [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]]. There is a place for article comparison to achieve consistency of style, but for establishing policy it is worthless: there must be millions of pages on Wikipedia that breach policy and guidelines in some way or another. '''[[User:Spinningspark|<font style="background:#fafad2;color:#C08000">Spinning</font>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<font style="color:#4840a0">Spark'''</font>]]''' 17:04, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
:::: Ah, I was simply suggesting a solution to an ungainly large software list that is the conventional solution to such problems at Wikipedia; there are many more lists of software pages and comparison of software pages than the two examples I gave. There are enough articles that are lists of software on Wikipedia that it ''is'' a convention and the warning against comparisons to arbitrary pages in [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]] doesn't really apply. Regarding external links not being cited by reliable independent sources, that is just about all of them at Wikipedia. As far as I can tell, the external links here fall under [[WP:ELMAYBE]]: the links may not be reliable sources themselves, but they still have useful information about FDTD modeling capabilities of their own software. [[User:Mark viking|Mark viking]] ([[User talk:Mark viking|talk]]) 18:21, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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