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:* My vote to accept remains in place, no matter if a motion passes. [[User talk:AGK|<font color="black">'''AGK'''</font>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 21:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
===Temporary injunction
==== Motion regarding SchuminWeb (3) ====
The accepted case is hereby suspended pending SchuminWeb's return to editing. SchuminWeb is instructed not to use his administrator tools in any way until the closure of the case; doing so will be grounds for removal of his administrator userrights. Should SchuminWeb decide to resign his administrative tools, the case will be closed and no further action taken. Should SchuminWeb not return to participate in the case within three months of this motion passing, this case will be closed, and the account will be desysopped. If the tools are resigned or removed in either of the circumstances described above, restoration of the tools to SchuminWeb will require a [[WP:RFA|new request for adminship]].
'''Enacted''' - [[User:AlexandrDmitri|Alexandr Dmitri]] ([[User talk:AlexandrDmitri|talk]]) 18:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
;;Support
:# A further alternative introducing a shorter (three-month) period than that proposed above. It also extends the prohibition on tool use to all areas; this really is the best interests both of the community and SchuminWeb; any tool use is bound to become a major source of unpleasant drama. Other than that, a few copy edits for (hopefully) clarity. [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 07:26, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:# [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] ([[User talk:SirFozzie|talk]]) 07:42, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:# First preference. [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 07:42, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:# <s>First</s> Second preference. [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 09:14, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:# Second preference. Still rewards bad behavior, but not as much as doing nothing would. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 19:36, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:# First choice. Minor copyedit (inserted "either of"). [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 19:44, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:# I think this covers things quite well. The instruction not to use the tools on penalty of forced removal is in effect the same as a desysopping. The situation that concerns Courcelles appears to also arise in Motion 4, that we have an injunction that will need to be enforced. <s>Equal first choice with Motion 4, though leaning toward</s> first choice, as the option for SchuminWeb to resign is useful. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 07:46, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
:# Equal preference to motion above. <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup><small>(<font color="#ff6600">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font>)</small></sup> 21:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
:# First choice. [[User:Hersfold|'''''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold</em>''''']] <sup>([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]])</sup> 22:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
:# [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill]] <sup>[[User talk:Kirill Lokshin|[talk]]]</sup> 00:54, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
;;Oppose
:#Sorry, but I just can't support ''anything'' that leaves the tools in place in this circumstance. Who is going to ''enforce'' the restriction? Are we giving the crats authority to do so? Are we going to have to make ''another'' motion if this one is violated? I despise doing it, but I'm going to be adding a fourth motion. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 22:49, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:# Why are we "instructing" SchuminWeb not to use his tools? If we wish him not to use his sysop permissions, then we should revoke them. This sort of "gentlemen's agreement" is rather silly, and I would prefer that anything we do with permission removals be watertight. [[User talk:AGK|<font color="black">'''AGK'''</font>]] [[User talk:AGK#top|[•]]] 21:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
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;;Arbitrator comments
:* In answer to the opposes.. if we removed them prior to a case, the overwhelming view would be that we would be judging them guilty without a chance to respond, and that they would have the burden of proof upon their return to be given the tools back. Here, they may be technically still an administrator (as no judgement has been made to remove the tools). Considering he was not available to answer the case, we do not want them using the tools without first going through the case to determine whether the mistakes they made warrant removal of administrative tools. Basically, we're not saying that a removal is warranted, nor are we saying it's unwarranted, but solely that there is enough questions whether removal of the tools is warranted we do not wish them to use the tools until first going through with us. And if they don't answer, then we remove them as we cannot leave these cases upon indefinitely. [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] ([[User talk:SirFozzie|talk]]) 12:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:* @ Davewild: while pending and suspend come originally from the same root, they are not synonyms. As far as the policy provision is concerned, it is sometimes helpful to look at the intention as well as the wording. The objective of the policy provision was to provide continuity during the transition from one year's committee to the next and and to prevent the disruption that would result from half of the committee changing in the middle of the workshop or midway through voting on an intricate proposed decision. Neither of those circumstances apply here ;) [[User:Roger Davies|<span style="color:maroon; font-variant:small-caps">'''Roger Davies'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|''talk'']]</sup> 11:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
=Final decision (none yet) =
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