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This is a sandbox/clean slate area I'm using to work on for sections that should immediately follow the History section of [[Men's Rights Movement]]. I am using both [[Men's Movement]] and [[Men's Rights Movement]] as a basis for sources to examine and for the initial points to include in the structure. The general structure and general talking points to cover that seem to provide coverage are included below. It is basically an outline at this point and is extremely fluid as I familiarize myself with the topic as described in existing sources. When in bullet-point list form, it is expected to be indefensible, merely listing common themes. Once in paragraph form, all statements should be fully sourced with relevant page/pages from the source so the context that was used is easily identifiable.
Once the sourced, paragraph style form is completed for each section, movement into the article will be proposed (either via talk page or a [[WP:BOLD]] edit) so that it can be used as a solid starting point to improve the article.
= General Structure, points pulled from [[Men's Movement]] and [[Men's Rights Movement]]=
== General Views and Beliefs==
* Men's roles are harmful and limiting to men
* Masculinity comes with prescribed roles that are harmful to men
* Rejection of the existence of societal based empowerment and privilege for men (some assert women are now more privileged, others assert women and men have different privileges)
* Men are objectified as often as women, but as "success objects"
* Rejection of (portions?) of Feminist Theory, such as the notion that men as a class are empowered at the expense of women in a patriarchy and institutionalized privilege of men.
== Issues and concerns of the Men's Rights Movement ==
* Neglect of male issues and structural oppression of men (suicide/mental health, prison, addiction, homelessness, dropping grades/lower university attendance)
* Women's role/Men as victims of domestic violence minimized or ignored by mainstream society, law enforcement, etc.
* Discrimination against men in family courts (alimony/child support/etc.)
* Possibility of false claims of domestic violence/sexual assault/child abuse made by women during divorce proceedings
* Adoption (disparity for unwed men vs. unwed women attempting to adopt)
* Military conscription
* Paternity fraud/reproductive rights
== Relationship to feminism ==
=== Men's Rights Movement perspective ===
* Countermovement/anti-feminism
* Rejects feminism's assertion that all men are privileged
* Rejects feminist theory as to the current cause of disparity in rights and privileges
* Does not believe that feminism is addressing the issues/concerns of men
* Does not consider itself to be anti-women, only pro-men
=== Feminism perspective ===
* Blinded by privilege/expected for privileged to get unhappy about losing privilege
* Rejecting the theories of feminism is intrinsically anti-women
* Adopted same rhetoric and language as feminism to look less bad/win appeal
* Is misogyny disguised as equality
* Overstates rates of issues occurring/damaging effects of them/cites flawed studies in the interest of making issues seem more prevalent.
== Criticisms of the Men's Rights Movement (non-feminism related) ==
* SPLC labelled as a misogynist organization.
* others?
= Useful citations found in [[Men's Movement]] and [[Men's Rights Movement]] =
== Fully studied/easily navigable/I have access to ==
Clatterbaugh, Kenneth. Contemporary Perspectives on Masculinity<ref>{{cite book | last = Clatterbaugh | first = Kenneth | title = Contemporary Perspectives on Masculinity | year = 1997 | publisher = WestviewPress | isbn=0-8133-2700-8 | pages = 11-14 | url = http://digilib.bc.edu/reserves/en125/grif/en125105.pdf | format = pdf }}</ref> covers general/high level views of the Men's Rights Movement, their perspective on the women's movement and masculinity's harm towards men.
Messner, Michael. The Limits of the "Male Sex Role"<ref>{{cite journal |last= Messner |first= Michael A. |authorlink= Michael Messner |year= 1998 |title= The Limits of the "Male Sex Role": An Analysis of the Men's Liberation and Men's Rights Movement's Discourse |journal= [[Gender & Society]] |volume= 12 |issue= 3 |pages= 255–276 |publisher= |doi= 10.1177/0891243298012003002 |pmid= |pmc= |url= |accessdate= }}</ref> covers a wide variety of topics from the views held by the Men's Rights Movement, it's history and origins and investigation into many of these views. This needs to be broken down further for which pages cover which particular aspects.
Messner, Michael. Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements, 'The Limits of "The Male Sex Role"'<ref>{{cite book | last = Messner | first = Michael | title = Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements | year = 1997 | url = http://books.google.com/books?id=nG8MGcopgWQC&pg=PA41#v=onepage&q&f=false | publisher = AltaMira Press | isbn = 0-8039-5576-6 | pages = 36-48}}</ref> contains selections from the full 'The Limits of "The Male Sex Role"' published in Gender & Society (see other source info) and may contain similar content. A comparison between the two has not been finished, so preference should be given to the full article.
Williams, Rhys. Constructing the Public Good: Social Movements and Cultural Resources<ref>{{cite journal |last=Williams |first=Rhys H. |authorlink=Rhys H. Williams (sociologist) |year=1995 |title=Constructing the Public Good: Social Movements and Cultural Resources |journal=Social Problems |volume=42 |issue=1 |pages=134–135 |publisher=University of California Press |url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/3097008 |doi=10.2307/3097008 |pmid= |pmc= |accessdate=March 4, 2013}}</ref> covers views, beliefs, some issues and the framing of those items of the Men's Rights Movement and association to feminism. Useful for supporting statements by other sources, some parts easily stand alone, also useful for finding other reliable sources (those that are quoted or cited in the article may contain useful information).
== Sources I don't have access to (do not use unless an excerpt of the appropriate sections are provided by someone else) ==
Fluid list, add here as I get to a source but do not have access.
Wishard, RW. Men's rights: a handbook for the 80's.<ref>{{cite book | last = Wishard | first = RW | coauthors = Wishard L | year = 1980 | isbn = 978-0-89666-012-0 | publisher = Cragmont Publications | title = Men's rights: a handbook for the 80's }}</ref>
Newton, Judith Lowder. From Pathners To Promise Keepers: Rethinking the Men's Movement{{sfn|Newton|2004|p = [http://books.google.ca/books?id=bXZkmNTSQUAC&pg=PA190 190-200]}}. Google books only has selected pages, but the .com (rather than .ca) version available [http://books.google.com/books?id=bXZkmNTSQUAC&pg=PA190#v=onepage&q&f=false here] has a few extra pages available.
== Sources I have access to but haven't studied yet ==
Fluid list, typically should have only one or two I'm in the progress of studying or is up next unless it is an extensive source and would take a significant amount of time to fully cover.
Flood, Michael. International Encyclopedia of Men and Masculinities, Men's Movements {{sfn|Flood|2007|p = [http://www.xyonline.net/sites/default/files/Flood,%20Men's%20Movements,%20IEMM%202007.pdf 418–422] }}
Maddison, Sarah. Private Men, Public Anger: The Men's Rights Movement in Australia <ref>{{cite journal |last= Maddison |first= Sarah |authorlink= |year= 1999 |title= Private Men, Public Anger: The Men's Rights Movement in Australia |journal= Journal of Interdisciplinary Gender Studies |volume= 4 |issue= 2 |pages= 39–52 |publisher= |doi= |pmid= |pmc= |url= http://newcastle.edu.au/Resources/Schools/Humanities%20and%20Social%20Science/JIGS/JIGSV4N2_039.pdf |accessdate= }}</ref> provides a "feminist analysis of the processes of men's rights collective identity".
== Lists of potential sources ==
Flood, Michael. Excerpted from 'The Men’s Bibliography: A comprehensive bibliography of writing on men, masculinities, gender, and sexualities' available [http://mensbiblio.xyonline.net/mensrights.html here].
= Previous/Existing [[Men's Rights Movement]] content to be incorporated =
==Current-ish Relation to feminism section==
The men's rights movement is generally understood as a [[backlash (sociology)|backlash]] or [[countermovement]] to feminism.<ref name="maddison">{{cite journal |last= Maddison |first= Sarah |authorlink= |year= 1999 |title= Private Men, Public Anger: The Men's Rights Movement in Australia |journal= Journal of Interdisciplinary Gender Studies |volume= 4 |issue= 2 |pages= 39–52 |publisher= |doi= |pmid= |pmc= |url= http://newcastle.edu.au/Resources/Schools/Humanities%20and%20Social%20Science/JIGS/JIGSV4N2_039.pdf |accessdate= }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last1= Doyle |first1= Ciara |authorlink1= |last2= |first2= |authorlink2= |editor1-first= Peter |editor1-last= Herrman |editor1-link= |others= |title= Citizenship Revisited: Threats or Opportunities of Shifting Boundaries |url= |edition= |volume= |year= 2004 |publisher= [[Nova Publishers]] |___location= New York |isbn= 978-1-59033-900-8 | pages = [http://books.google.ca/books?id=HdLVGgJQ0mUC&pg=PA61#v=onepage&q&f=false 61–62] |chapter= The Fathers' Rights Movement: Extending Patriarchal Control Beyond the Marital Family |chapterurl= }}</ref><ref>{{cite book |last1= Flood |first1= Michael |authorlink1= Michael Flood |last2= |first2= |authorlink2= |editor1-first= Michael S. |editor1-last= Kimmel |editor1-link= Michael Kimmel |editor2-last= Hearn |editor2-first= Jeff |editor3-last= Connell |editor3-first= Raewyn |title= Handbook of Studies on Men and Masculinities |url= |edition= |volume= |year= 2005 |publisher= [[SAGE Publications]] |___location= Thousand Oaks |isbn= 978-0-7619-2369-5 |page= 459 |pages= |chapter= Men's Collective Struggles for Gender Justice: The Case of Antiviolence Activism |chapterurl= http://books.google.com/books?id=UvAZD45BMDoC&pg=PA459 }}</ref><ref name="RH Williams">{{cite journal |last=Williams |first=Rhys H. |authorlink=Rhys H. Williams (sociologist) |year=1995 |title=Constructing the Public Good: Social Movements and Cultural Resources |journal=Social Problems |volume=42 |issue=1 |pages=134–135 |publisher=University of California Press |url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/3097008 |doi=10.2307/3097008 |pmid= |pmc= |accessdate=March 4, 2013 |quote=Another example of contractual model rhetoric is in the language of the Men's Rights movement. As a countermovement to the feminist movement, it has concentrated on areas generally thought of as family law—especially divorce and child custody laws. The movement charges that maternal preference in child custody decisions is an example of gender prejudice, with men the ones who are systematically disadvantaged... Men's Rights groups... have adopted much of the rhetoric of the early liberal feminist movement... }}</ref> For example, hardliner feminists oppose men's studies departments capable of balancing women's studies due to this perception.<ref>{{cite web|last=Stephans|first=Edward|title=male studies: a consortium of scholars|url=http://www.malestudies.org/4-7transcript.pdf|publisher=Foundation of male studies}}</ref> The men's rights movement consists of diverse points of view which generally strongly disagree with the validity of feminist claims.{{sfn|Flood|2007| p = [http://books.google.com/books?id=jh7y6ELc90YC&pg=PA430#v=onepage&q&f=false 430-433]}} Men's rights activists believe that feminism has overshot its objective and harmed men.<ref name="maddison"/><ref name="Cahill">{{cite book |last1= Cahill |first1= Charlotte |authorlink1= |last2= |first2= |authorlink2= |editor1-first= Roger |editor1-last= Chapman |editor1-link= |others= |title= Culture Wars: An Encyclopedia of Issues, Viewpoints, and Voices |url= |edition= |volume= |year= 2010 |publisher= [[M.E. Sharpe]] |___location= Armonk |isbn= 978-1-84972-713-6 |page= |pages= 354–356 |chapter= Men's movement |chapterurl= http://books.google.com/books?id=vRY27FkGJAUC&pg=PA355 }}</ref><ref name="Messner 1"/> They dispute that men as a group have institutional power and [[Male privilege|privilege]].<ref>{{cite journal |last = Kimmel |first = Michael S. |year= 1987 |title= Men's Responses to Feminism at the Turn of the Century |journal= Gender & Society |volume= 1 |issue= 3 |pages= 261–283 |publisher= |doi= 10.1177/089124387001003003 |pmid= |pmc= |url= |accessdate= }}</ref>{{sfn|Flood|2007| p = [http://books.google.com/books?id=jh7y6ELc90YC&pg=PA430#v=onepage&q&f=false 430-433]}} and argue that statistical disparities in fields such as engineering aren't due to social practice, but represent real biological differences.<ref>{{cite web|last=Stephans|first=Edward|title=male studies: a consortium of scholars|url=http://www.malestudies.org/4-7transcript.pdf|publisher=Foundation of male studies}}</ref> in In addition, they claim that men can also be victims of injustice,{{sfn|Flood|2007|p = [http://www.xyonline.net/sites/default/files/Flood,%20Men's%20Movements,%20IEMM%202007.pdf 418–422] }}<ref name="Messner 1"/> arguing that there are situations where men are disadvantaged relative to women.{{sfn|Flood|2007| p = [http://books.google.com/books?id=jh7y6ELc90YC&pg=PA21#v=onepage&q&f=false 21]}} Sarah Maddison provides a feminist analysis of "men's rights collective identity" in the ''Journal of Interdisciplinary Gender Studies'', suggesting that the men's rights activist sees himself and other men as an oppressed collective and feel this oppression originates from a society and government that has been "feminized" by the women's movement.<ref name="maddison"/> [[Warren Farrell]] and [[Herb Goldberg]], for instance, believe that all men are disadvantaged, discriminated against and oppressed and argue that power is an illusion for most men since women are the actual bearers of power.<ref name="maddison"/> Men's rights groups generally reject the notion that feminism is interested in men's problems{{sfn|Flood|2007| p = [http://books.google.com/books?id=jh7y6ELc90YC&pg=PA430#v=onepage&q&f=false 430-433]}} and some activists view the women's movement as actively working to increase discrimination against men without explicitly stating this intent.<ref name="Messner 1">{{cite journal |last= Messner |first= Michael A. |authorlink= Michael Messner |year= 1998 |title= The Limits of the "Male Sex Role": An Analysis of the Men's Liberation and Men's Rights Movement's Discourse |journal= [[Gender & Society]] |volume= 12 |issue= 3 |pages= 255–276 |publisher= |doi= 10.1177/0891243298012003002 |pmid= |pmc= |url= |accessdate= }}</ref>{{sfn|Flood|2007|p = [http://www.xyonline.net/sites/default/files/Flood,%20Men's%20Movements,%20IEMM%202007.pdf 418–422] }} Rhys Williams says that "Men's rights groups [...] have adopted much of the rhetoric of the early liberal feminist movement".<ref name="RH Williams"/><ref name="Messner 1"/> The plea for "equal rights for fathers" is frequently accompanied by a rhetoric of "children's needs" which helps deflect criticism that the rhetoric is motivated by self-interest.<ref name="RH Williams"/>
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