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::::::Under the minilanguage paradigm, there is a file that contains a string of commands like "insert user name", "insert nickname", "insert year", etc. with a select group of users allowed to change that file. Now if you later decide to put the date before the name you simple put the date command before the name command. Or you can put the date at the top of the post and the name at the bottom or pretty much do anything else, all without bothering the developers. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 23:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
:::{{reply to|Spectral sequence}} I rounded up some of the [[mw:Flow_Portal/Prior_discussion-thread-roundup#Workflows|prior discussions about workflows]], and I've now added all the technical notes (preliminary research, drafts, etc) at the top there. The [[mw:Flow Portal/Use cases]] page in particular, might be what you're looking for. Although as you saw and noted at [[User_talk:Maryana_(WMF)#Ideology|Maryana's talkpage]], it's definitely a fantastically complex idea, full of potential ramifications. Discovering the correct balance between too-complex and too-simple, will take time - hence we're not rushing anything! [[User:Quiddity (WMF)|Quiddity (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Quiddity (WMF)|talk]]) 19:56, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
::::Actually, what I was looking for was a simple statement along the lines of "yes there is" or "no there isn't", in the former case possibly amplified by "and here's a reference to it / the name of it and we are / are not going to make use of it". Possibly split along the lines of "yes in the case of what the workflows are but no in the case of what capabilities the workflow system will need" (or whatever). Presumably the people working on the project know perfectly well whether they are building on something already in existence or starting from a completely clean sheet, and are capable of articulating that in a few words? Pointing readers of this discussion to a mass of documentation is not the most helpful way of answering the question. Please bear in mind that WMF is trying to persuade readers to take part in a demanding project and can reasonably be expected to demonstrate that they are making best use of their collaborators valuable time and energy. [[User:Spectral sequence|Spectral sequence]] ([[User talk:Spectral sequence|talk]]) 20:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:: Er, so, when Community demands something as users of the software, their wishes can be ignored, because, "''But seriously, most community members are not software developers or designers.''" ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Flow&diff=575651509&oldid=575651329] - by "[[User:Maryana (WMF)|Maryana (WMF)]]", 23:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC))..? And now those same "community members" are actually ''expected'' to develop the software..? Really..?
:: And "wikitext" elements like colons supposedly "''are a barrier to participation for new users and provide a bad user experience for many existing users''" ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Flow&oldid=576696501#How_can_I_help.3F]), but making "statecharts" for "workflows" in unclear language is supposed to be a great experience for everyone..?
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