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:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 12:50, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
== time to abandon protocol relative urls for the predefined identifiers? ==
There is a move afoot to replace http:// and relative protocol (//) with https: for certain urls in article space and in {{para|url}} in citations. These replacements mostly involve Google, YouTube, and Internet Archive. In September 2013, [[Module:Citation/CS1]] converted all of the identifier urls that could be converted to relative protocol. That was a time when logged-in users used https: but users who weren't logged in used http:. Since then, Wikimedia has migrated everyone to using https:. Part of the reason for the module's switch to protocol relative urls was to prevent switching back and forth from secure (at Wikipedia) to not-secure (the identifier's site).
It appears that all but two of the predefined identifiers supported by the module and that use external links can be accessed using https:. The two that cannot be accessed are bibcode and LCCN. Here is a list of the identifiers with the various flavors of url:
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* ARXIV :
** [http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0674 http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0674]
** [https://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0674 https://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0674]
** [//arxiv.org/abs/0709.0674 //arxiv.org/abs/0709.0674]
*ASIN :
** [http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00086U61Y http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00086U61Y]
** [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00086U61Y https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00086U61Y]
** [//www.amazon.com/dp/B00086U61Y //www.amazon.com/dp/B00086U61Y]
* BIBCODE :
** [http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007A&A...474..653V http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007A&A...474..653V]
** [https://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007A&A...474..653V https://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007A&A...474..653V] – does not work
** [//adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007A&A...474..653V //adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007A&A...474..653V] – does not work
* DOI :
** [http://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0004.203 http://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0004.203]
** [https://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0004.203 https://dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0004.203]
** [//dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0004.203 //dx.doi.org/10.3998/3336451.0004.203]
* ISSN :
** [http://www.worldcat.org/issn/0028-0836 http://www.worldcat.org/issn/0028-0836]
** [https://www.worldcat.org/issn/0028-0836 https://www.worldcat.org/issn/0028-0836]
** [//www.worldcat.org/issn/0028-0836 //www.worldcat.org/issn/0028-0836]
* JFM :
** [http://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:54.0271.04 http://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:54.0271.04]
** [https://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:54.0271.04 https://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:54.0271.04]
** [//zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:54.0271.04 //zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:54.0271.04]
* JSTOR :
** [http://www.jstor.org/stable/2118559 http://www.jstor.org/stable/2118559]
** [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2118559 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2118559]
** [//www.jstor.org/stable/2118559 //www.jstor.org/stable/2118559]
* LCCN :
** [http://lccn.loc.gov/sn2006058112 http://lccn.loc.gov/sn2006058112]
** [https://lccn.loc.gov/sn2006058112 https://lccn.loc.gov/sn2006058112] – does not work
** [//lccn.loc.gov/sn2006058112 //lccn.loc.gov/sn2006058112] – does not work
* MR :
** [http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=96d:11071 http://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=96d:11071]
** [https://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=96d:11071 https://www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=96d:11071]
** [//www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=96d:11071 //www.ams.org/mathscinet-getitem?mr=96d:11071]
* OCLC :
** [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/22239204 http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/22239204]
** [https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/22239204 https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/22239204]
** [//www.worldcat.org/oclc/22239204 //www.worldcat.org/oclc/22239204]
* OL
** [http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL18319A http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL18319A]
** [https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL18319A https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL18319A]
** [//openlibrary.org/authors/OL18319A //openlibrary.org/authors/OL18319A]
* OSTI :
** [http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6851152 http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6851152]
** [https://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6851152 https://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6851152]
** [//www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6851152 //www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6851152]
* PMC :
** [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1408034 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1408034]
** [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1408034 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1408034]
** [//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1408034 //www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1408034]
* PMID :
** [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12122621 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12122621]
** [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12122621 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12122621]
** [//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12122621 //www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12122621]
* RFC :
** [http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc882 http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc882]
** [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc882 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc882]
** [//tools.ietf.org/html/rfc882 //tools.ietf.org/html/rfc882]
* SSRN :
** [http://ssrn.com/abstract=512922 http://ssrn.com/abstract=512922]
** [https://ssrn.com/abstract=512922 https://ssrn.com/abstract=512922]
** [//ssrn.com/abstract=512922 //ssrn.com/abstract=512922]
* ZBL :
** [http://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:0823.11029 http://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:0823.11029]
** [https://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:0823.11029 https://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:0823.11029]
** [//zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:0823.11029 //zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:0823.11029]
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Is there any need to continue to support protocol relative urls for these identifiers?
—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 22:41, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
:If everyone is using https, then protocol-relative links would use https also. Why change <code>//</code> to <code>https://</code>? It seems like another source of potential typos and errors. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 00:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
:Then for bibcode and lccn, we make sure that all links are explicitly http: - since the rest are all working in each available method, we leave these links alone. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 08:04, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
::You can't be here (on Wikipedia) without your browser supports an https: connection. If the identifier sites support an https: connection (and all do except bibcode and LCCN) then there is no need for us to support the protocol relative scheme. For identifiers, editors don't have to type a url so I'm not clear on how this change would be a source of typos and errors. Can you expand on that?
::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 12:45, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
:::So the "https:" would be added by the module only for the identifiers linked above? In that case, I'm fine with that. The first sentence of this section made it sound like we were going to go around replacing "//" with "https:", which sounded unnecessary and potentially harmful.
:::Again, though, if it's not currently broken, I don't see why we should fix it. If it is broken in some way that I do not understand, I'll go along with it. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:47, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
::::One conversation about changing http: to https: is [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#HTTP_vs_HTTPS...|here]]. We change lots of stuff that isn't 'broken' for a variety of reasons. This is just another of those.
::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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