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If I decline a draft for not having footnotes and post that comment to their talk page, the ''talk page comment'' like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:66.183.3.17&oldid=644156596 this] includes a hidden comment to [[:Category:AfC submissions declined as needing footnotes]]. This makes sense for the ''draft'' but the category is filled with the ''author's talk pages'' because that hidden link is also there. I suspect this isn't the only one like this. Can it be removed from the postings to the authors so it's only filled with the draft pages with the relevant problems? -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 12:08, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

:This got brought up at [[WT:AFC#Consensus for bot to clean User talk: pages from "AfC submission declined as..." categories?|this discussion]] ({{oldid2|682656060|Consensus for bot to clean User talk: pages from "AfC submission declined as..." categories?|permalink}}), and I'm running a bot task at the moment to clean it up. It'll take me a while to get through all the pages, though. [[User:APerson|APerson]] ([[User talk:APerson|talk!]]) 12:51, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

== Adding a Decline Reason - Autobiography ==

I have declined at least three [[WP:AUTOBIO|autobiographies]] in the past 48 hours. Can a decline reason be added to the Helper Script either to indicate that the article is an autobiography, or more generally that the reason for the decline is [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]? I declined the submissions either as inadequately sourced BLPs or as not providing [[WP:NOTABLE|notability]] evidence, and included a comment stating that the submission of autobiographies is strongly discouraged. It seems to happen often enough that the script should include that as a reason. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 02:33, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

:Let me be devil's advocate for a moment, though I support your proposal in very general terms.

:For reasons I am not sure I have ever understood, AFC allows things the rest of Wikipedia does not. COI is tolerated up to the point of acceptance of a draft. AFC applies the rules pragmatically, in that we, as reviewers, decline material that fails all rules except COI, and insist that COI puffery be stripped out prior to acceptance.

:Some people, albeit very few, are capable of writing a autobiography that is well referenced, neutral and verifies notability

:COI edits are deprecated, but allowed. The same holds true for autobiographies [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 12:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

::The reason why AFC allows things such as COI that are not tolerated elsewhere is simply that AFC is, among other things, a learning mechanism. We don't require the editors using AFC to know all of the rules, because we, the reviewers, apply the rules pragmatically. However, I don't understand how you are saying that COI differs from anything else that is not permitted. We insist that COI puffery be stripped out prior to acceptance, and we require that anything else "wrong" be corrected prior to acceptance. To the best of my knowledge, AFC reviewers do not accept drafts that contain COI. I don't. So maybe we need a more general COI tag for declines. As I noted, I have declined autobiographies as either failing to identify notability or as inadequately sourced BLPs. I decline other COI articles with "reads like an advertisement", which is a non-WP explanation of what COI policy is all about. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 15:31, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

:::However, if COI is a reason to decline, but we allow COI at AFC then we have an interesting disconnect. I prefer to decline as though to were not written by a COi editor, explaining issues to an autobiographer in the exact same way that I explain to a biographer, for example. I make a lot of use of the ability to leave a comment. I have no idea iff you do or not, coz I don't stalk your work {{Smiley}} [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 15:46, 1 November 2015 (UTC)