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If we have established that the unmoved mover exists, have we established if it still exists or that it just existed? Any ideas on the arguements or counterarguements for this topic or where the arguements are at right now? ([[User:Simonapro|Simonapro]] 14:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC))
:This is already included in the article in the explanation of the difference between ''in esse'' and ''in fieri''. ... [[User:Kenosis|Kenosis]] 15:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
How does the Kalam cosmological argument
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