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::::::I understand. Let's make it happen. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 08:52, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Goldenshimmer|Codename Lisa}} I just came across a link to this discussion on [[WP:NPOVN]] and realized no one else had responded, so figured I'd give my 2 cents FWIW. Goldenshimmer, I didn't interpret the sections you pointed out as having a negative tone. To me, they seemed to be in a "dispassionate" tone, but I do think the wording is a little awkward, so maybe that makes it easy for us to interpret it differently. IMO the bigger issue is the sparse sourcing. There are also some grammar issues that I'll try to fix up now. I do think it could use some tweaks and more sources. Goldenshimmer, do you have suggestions for better wording? [[User:Permstrump|<font color="indigo">—'''PermStrump'''</font>]][[User Talk:Permstrump|<font color="steelblue">(<u>talk</u>)</font>]] 01:49, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::Hi {{ping|Permstrump|Codename Lisa}}. :) Sorry I took so long to get back to you about this. Thank you for considering my thoughts about the article! Here are my suggested changes:
* Nomenclature section: Just needs a source.
* Look and feel: The "no-chrome rule" is not described as a rule when it is introduced ("They have no UI chrome" vs. e.g. "They may not have UI chrome"); this is a bit confusing.
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<blockquote>Metro-style apps can generally only be developed using Microsoft's own development tools.</blockquote>
Do these seem reasonable to you? Thanks again! <span style="font-family:'Wreathe','Centaur','serif';color:#2a1657;background:#e2daf1">—&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Goldenshimmer|Goldenshimmer]]&#125;&#125;&#124;✝️&#124;ze/zer&#124;😹&#124;[[User:Goldenshimmer/T|T/C]]&#124;☮️&#124;John15:12&#124;🍂</span> 19:08, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hi.
 
:Let's address these in the same order that you added them:
:* Nomenclature section: I added a citation to the effect the quoted phrases come directly from Windows 10. That's how we treat such trivia things, e.g. the source for the name of ''[[Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows]]'' is ''Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows''. The source for the name of Windows 10 is Windows 10.
:* Look and feel: I think we should remove the "relaxed the no-chrome rule" part and Microsoft put the title bar feature back. It needs source, so here is one: <blockquote>{{Cite web |url=http://www.infoworld.com/article/2606675/microsoft-windows/147162-What-s-new-in-the-Windows-8.1-Update.html#slide6 |title=What's new in Windows 8.1 Update |work=[[InfoWorld]] |publisher=[[IDG]] |date=8 April 2014 |first=Woody |last=Leonhart }}</blockquote>
:* Distribution and licensing: I'll look for a source. But unfortunately, I have to reject your suggestion for the following reason:
:** The first sentence of your paragraph does not summarize it. Existing article has this: "Traditionally, Windows was an open operating system."
:** You used [[WP:WEASEL|weasel words]] "generally" and "notably".
:** You have written "Universal Windows platform" while the paragraph is talking about Windows 8 when UWP still didn't exist.
:** You should not mistake ''neutral point of view'' with ''neutralized point of view'' (or ''neutered point of view''). A neutral point of view means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. A neutered point of view is one that adjusts the writing so it reads neither good nor bad but gray.
:** Wikipedia is not censored. You have misfiled the fact that Microsoft reserves itself the right to uninstall software from the user's computer. Please note that the article neither says this is good nor says it is bad. Just that Microsoft can.
:* Multitasking: I will look for more sources as my time permits. But unfortunately, your suggestion has the following problems:
:** You have once again used a [[WP:WEASEL|weasel word]], "generally".
:** You have talked about UWP while that portion of the article is talking about Windows 8, where UWP didn't exist. (Only Metro-style apps.)
:*In Windows 10 > Look and feel: Sure.
:* Lifecycle: Your love for [[WP:WEASEL|weasel words]] is astounding; I hope you never marry them! {{;)}} Joke aside, you are here to improve neutrality while weasel words do the exact opposite. And while we are at it, you certainly love removing info. In this case, you have removed the explanation as to why Metro-style apps can only be developed with Microsoft's own tools. Also, re-read my explanation about neutral vs. neutered point of view.
:Best regards,
:[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 09:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 
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