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:You dont can change the map using Facebook or Twitter as sources. And conducting operations dont means controlling the area which your source not even claims.--[[User:JapanerRusse|JapanerRusse]] ([[User talk:JapanerRusse|talk]]) 19:38, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== Taza Khurmatu ==

Taza Khurmatu is under Kurdish control. The shia militia is just stationated outside of Taza Khurmatu and this base is already shown in the map, but the militia is not inside the town and without a source it can not be changed here. And a facebook Video which is used here is not a acceptable source which a user still uses to change the map. And the Video not even shows the militia inside a town.

Stop changing the map based on a facebook Video which not even backs your argument.

https://www.rt.com/news/335026-isis-iraq-poisonous-substances/--[[User:Alan Genco|Alan Genco]] ([[User talk:Alan Genco|talk]]) 02:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

:Well according your source (which is not reliable) is Taza under KRG controll, but it's not true. Do you have another sources? According my video, PMU's are talking about the situation in the town of Taza Khurmatu. By the way your source is too old. Same disscusions were happened before with the town of Bashir. [https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/04/24/iraq-protecting-civilians-key-mosul-battle Read] more about the situation in Kirkuk province. [http://www.voanews.com/a/us-holds-islamic-state-agent-tied-to-chemical-weapons/3227596.html As you can see] there is still PMU in Kirkuk. [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 10:19, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

::The linked article ([[Taza Khurmatu]]) says "It is currently controlled by the Peshmerga.". That is sourced. If you like to change it, you should first change the linked article. [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 13:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

:::Well it's the same article of RT. The media doesn't know anything about the situation in Iraq. PMU controlls more then half of Taza Khurmatu. Please revert your edit. [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 15:42, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

::::Beshogur, you are probably right, but you need to understand that Wikipedia is documenting "facts" based on reliable sources. I can't revert. That will be to reintroduce unsourced material, and it will be against the verifiability policy to do so. Btw, I believe RTs news reporting is reliable. [[User:Erlbaeko|Erlbaeko]] ([[User talk:Erlbaeko|talk]]) 16:18, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

=== PMU in Taza ===

PMU controls more then the half of [[Taza Khurmatu]], I added sources, but someone removed it. Please revert it. [[User:Beshttp://www.refworld.org/docid/555d939c4.htmlgur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 15:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

: Please present the sources here so others can examine your claim. [[Special:Contributions/45.248.183.70|45.248.183.70]] ([[User talk:45.248.183.70|talk]]) 16:47, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

:: [https://www.facebook.com/797249833737058/videos/974940745967965/ A video] from the Turkish site of [[16th Turkmen Brigade]], the commander is talking about the situation in [[Taza Khurmatu]]. From a Persian [http://fa.shafaqna.com/news/254181 news]. [http://www.alalam.ir/news/1814466 Here] another about ISIL's chemical attack in Taza. You can see the name Said Najjar Yilmaz, a commander from Turkmen PMU brigades. As you can see, there is PMU in the town. Another [http://www.alsumaria.tv/news/162121/%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%B6-%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B9%D9%86%D9%81-%D9%87%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%85-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%B4-%D8%A8%D9%8042-%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AE/ar source] about the "Popular Crowd" thus [[Popular Mobilization Forces]] are active in the town. [http://almadapaper.net/ar/news/508164/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%B4%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B9%D8%A8%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%B7%D9%84%D9%82-%D8%B9%D9%85%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D8%B4%D9%8A%D8%B1---%D9%88%D8%A7 Here] is an another article. Please revert the edit. [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 10:02, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

:: {{u|Beshogur}} You said PMU controls half of the city. I asked sources about that, not about its presence. Mere presence does not automatically mean it controls "half of the city". That is [[WP:OR|original research]]. Do you have a source explicitly saying it "controls half of the city" or that it controls the government? [[Special:Contributions/117.207.150.106|117.207.150.106]] ([[User talk:117.207.150.106|talk]]) 12:48, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

::: Presence? No one is talking about that, I added several sources, please check it. Also in the video, you can hear that they're talking actually about the city center. Why are you so intractable? It's just a small town which a Shia Turkmen majority, sure there will be PMU in the city. [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 12:51, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

:::: Beshogur, I don't get why are you misunderstanding me. Your comment only seemed to indicate it has a presence, no explicit confirnation of government control. Besides I checked sources. The edits do confirm presence but I'm not so sure about whether it controls the government although you might be right. That's the reason behind my earlier comment, to confirm. Otherwise it might be OR if we did it without confirmation. One source even says people and Popular Crowd of Taza Khurmatu. So maybe you're right. Regardless other editors will decide on their own. Maybe you should take a consensus. [[Special:Contributions/61.1.58.184|61.1.58.184]] ([[User talk:61.1.58.184|talk]]) 21:45, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

The user {{u|JapanerRusse}} claims that I use Facebook sources.. But if you look above, I added several local sources. For sure, Twitter and Facebook gives us info, for example what's happening there... The official Facebook website of [[Turkmen Brigades (PMU)|16th Brigade]] announced that, they've cleared the Zindana village from ISIL, and I used that source. You're reverting my edit without sources. Please revert your edit, or I will report you! [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 18:13, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

:But you can not use sources for one town and change the status of other areas using Facebook and Twitter as sources. --[[User:JapanerRusse|JapanerRusse]] ([[User talk:JapanerRusse|talk]]) 19:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

:: Well mate, Twitter and Facebook is widely used by the templated, it's not a reason to revert it without a source. Twitter source is waaay reliable then your reverting without a source. [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 21:49, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

:::I dont make the rules and you dont can ignore them, next time I will report you.--[[User:JapanerRusse|JapanerRusse]] ([[User talk:JapanerRusse|talk]]) 11:27, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

:::::Ok, let's end this discussion now. We've got two sources here which clearly speak about a Shiite Turkmen PMF presence in Taza Khurmatu: [http://www.daeshdaily.com/feb9-2016/], [http://www.refworld.org/docid/555d939c4.html].

::::::And please cool down a bit, there's no reason to get salty over who controls a small city.--[[User:Ermanarich|Ermanarich]] ([[User talk:Ermanarich|talk]]) 12:21, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

:::::::Dear {{u|Ermanarich}}, can you say to him, that he must revert his edit back to my version? Because he reverted my edits without any source. [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 16:04, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

::::::::Oh, I just saw that it's not about Taza Khurmatu anymore but about Zindana village... Or what's the point now? Because Taza Khurmatu is already marked as stable mixed control.--[[User:Ermanarich|Ermanarich]] ([[User talk:Ermanarich|talk]]) 21:43, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

:::::::::I posted a video about the village. The PMU militias: Sayyid al Shuhada and Bashir Regiment are clearly talking about the situation in the village center. (near Taza) I added the village on the template and [[JapanerRusse]] reverted my edit to m.SDF without any source, and he said that: Facebook and Twitter aren't reliable sources.. I said: ok. But he reverted my edit without '''any source'''. So the official Facebook site of one of the brigades of [[Turkmen Brigades (PMU)]] is stil reliable I guess? You're saying: Those are small areas, it doesn't matter, etc. but same edit wars happened before about Taza Khurmatu and Bashir village, but I was right.

::::::::: [https://www.facebook.com/797249833737058/videos/1018205908308115/ Here] is the video. Theyre saying: ''We had an intelligence service about 11 ISIL militants who tried to enter Zindana from Sari Tabah village and we killed them all then took the control and secured the village.'' [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 10:15, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

== Battle of Mosul svg map ==

Anyone should make a map for Mosul city center and its surroundings. Can anyone make that? Like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Rif_Aleppo2.svg this]. [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 12:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)