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:Thanks for explaining that--I've removed the factual dispute notice from the article. And thanks also for your edits :) --[[User:Camembert|Camembert]]
==Joy Division Goths?==
Sorry, what? Since when? They certainly were not "marketed" as Goths. Martin Hannett might have called their music "gothic" but he was hardly their management. In any case, he almost certainly would have meant that their music was gothic in the artistic sense, rather than the black hair, black lippy, pretend you're a vampire sense. This article has been seriously POV'd by a Goth or Goths. I ask you to substantiate these claims with something a little more substantial than some website quoting Martin Hannett. I was into JD from day one and there was no way on Earth they were "viewed" as Goth then. Now might be different but tell it how it was, not how you wish it was, eh?[[User:Dr Zen|Dr Zen]] 12:00, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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