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* {{cite book|last=A Whited|first=Lana|title=The Ivory Tower and Harry Potter| publisher=University of Missouri Press|year=2004|isbn=978-0-8262-1549-9}}

* A Whited, Lana (2004). ''The Ivory Tower and Harry Potter''. University of Missouri Press. {{ISBN |978-0-8262-1549-9}}

The first one (use of {{para|isbn}}) contains an extra link to [[ISBN]]. The second one is given in plain text. I think this link is unnecessary. Moreover, it's overlinking. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 06:50, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

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:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 10:29, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

: {{ISBN |978-0-8262-1549-9}} in plaintext is just autoformatted by the wiki (one of those legacys; RFC 1918 is another that is similar) to provide the link in question, whereas we override that functionality by deliberately inserting a link in the template, per Trappist. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 15:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] I mean we could just unlink all of PMC, doi, zbl, issn as common links and instead of having a wikilink followed by an (almost) external link just inherit the behaviour of {{ISBN |978-0-8262-1549-9}} (plaintext, autoformatted by mediawki). I am just saying my opinion and underlying an inconsistency for viewers. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 11:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

:I tend to agree it's overlinking. If it only did it with the first citation on the page that used it, maybe not, but it seems like "[[ISBN]]" (or whatever) may appear linked 100 times in the same long article. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ </span> 12:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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: I don't believe it is overlinking. The internal link serves a useful purpose (it answers the question of what the heck is a doi, isbn, pmid, etc.). [[User:Boghog|Boghog]] ([[User talk:Boghog|talk]]) 16:27, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

:I disagree that having a link to ISBN or the others in overlinking. I'm guessing there are plenty of people who have no idea what "zb", PMC", etc. mean. Even if you believe it to be in contradiction with [[WP:OVERLINK]], it is irrelevant in that having such links ''does'' aid readers, and there always comes a time when guidelines are not actually helpful. If a guideline causes problems, it can be overlooked in certain specific situations. [[User:Dustin V. S.|<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">''Dustin''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Dustin V. S.|(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">talk</span>)]] 16:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

:Linking to the article "ISBN" breaks the consistency of formatting of ISBN links between different methods of displaying and ISBN, and should never have been introduced. The ISBN special page provides sufficient information, directly or indirectly, about what an ISBN is. Readers reasonably expect that clicking on any part of {{ISBN |978-0-471-21495-3}} to talk them to the special page. If we want to change the behaviour we should propose a change to the MediaWiki software. Otherwise we should maintain consistency. All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'',<small> 19:19, 20 June 2015 (UTC).</small><br />

== Journal article titles ==

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:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 16:11, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

::The problem also appears when using {{tl|citation}} where you end up with a meaningless number for the page number. Can we do something to always render the p. or pp. for page number as the colon is not intuitive and we are producing references which are not easily understood by the majority of readers. If this needs a wider discussion then we should set one up so that we can see if there is consensus for change. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 18:49, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

:::When citing scholarly journals, {{tlx|cite journal}} and {{tlx|citation}} follow the model established and used by scholarly journals: volume (issue): page(s). Why should cs1|2 deviate from that standardized presentation? For example, {{PMID |11470414}} cites the journal date; ___location this way: Curr Biol. 2001 Jul 10;11(13):1068-73.

:::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 23:21, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

::::Problem comes when you are not using the volume and issue fields but just a page number it just shown a number that has no context and which needs something to show its purpose. I would guess that most readers would not know what the number relates to. [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|talk]]) 23:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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I came across this citation in [[¿Dónde Están Mis Amigos?]]:

{{cite compare |sandbox=yes |mode=web |url=Salaverri, Fernando. Sólo éxitos: año a año : 1959-2002. Iberautor Promociones Culturales, 2005. {{ISBN |84-8048-639-2}}|title=Spanish album certifications – Extremoduro – ¿Dónde están mis amigos? |work=[[Promusicae]] |language=Spanish |accessdate=1999}}

The 1999 access date properly throws an error, but the URL does not, even though it probably should. Can the module code be tweaked to detect the above URL value as an error? – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 11:52, 31 July 2015 (UTC)