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I suspect that someone has already worked this out, however, given how many people hate infoboxes. (I'm not among them, but the constant activism by some against infoboxes has led to multiple ArbCom cases, and will lead to more of them, because the anti-infobox warring has not abated. The only solution is to make it easy to move them "out of the way" to remove the inspiration for people's "cleanse" infoboxes from WP or from articles particular wikiprojects where these people have gathered are claiming scope.) <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 13:02, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
:I used to like infoboxes, but their proliferation has gotten a bit absurd ({{tl|Infobox fictional artifact}}, {{tl|Infobox ambulance company}}, {{tl|Infobox Magic: The Gathering player}}). I also hate how no matter how complex and nuanced a subject is, someone will insist that it can be boiled into an infobox. Anyway, thanks for making them easier to hide. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 04:44, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
== Fix for Windows XP Unicode font rendering ==
{{ping|Edokter|TheDJ}} Should we remove the following hack:
/**
* Fix for Windows XP Unicode font rendering
*/
if ( navigator.appVersion.search(/windows nt 5/i) !== -1 ) {
mw.util.addCSS( '.IPA { font-family: "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Arial Unicode MS"; } ' +
'.Unicode { font-family: "Arial Unicode MS", "Lucida Sans Unicode"; } ' );
}
* XP + IE6: can't reach Wikipedia because of HTTPS issues.
* XP + IE7: isn't served Javascript anymore ([[Help:Internet Explorer]]).
* XP + IE8: might still benefit from this, but is an unsupported browser.
* XP + Chome: Chrome will drop XP support April 2016.
* XP + Firefox: doesn't need this hack.
* XP + Opera: see below
Wikimedia traffic statistics from '''June 2015''' [https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm OS] [https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm Browser]:
* XP: 3.88%
* IE6: 0.25% (today 0%)
* IE7: 0.63% (XP + Vista)
* IE8: 1.28% (XP + Vista + Win7)
* Chrome: 29.20% (all OS'es)
* Firefox: 10.16% (all OS'es)
* Opera: 0.47% (all OS'es)
—''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 13:01, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
: Current OS usage is Windows XP 11%, Windows 10 13%, and Windows 7 52%. IE 6+ is listed as "basic" on [[mw:Compatibility#Browser support matrix]], while IE9 is at "modern". Microsoft dropped IE8, IE9, and IE10 support in January 2016 [http://www.infoworld.com/article/3020534/security/microsoft-will-end-support-for-internet-explorer8-9-and-10.html].
: <rant> Apple's Phil Schiller commented that 600 million people using 5+ year old PCs is "sad". Silicon Valley can shove its glossy plastic up its own ass. There's no way Android 2.3 (supported at "Modern") is more competent than WinXP. — [[User:Dispenser|Dispenser]] 16:02, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:Let's wait until the TfD is concluded. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {{[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]}}</code> 16:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
: {{ping|Ruud Koot|Dispenser|Edokter}} Actually, Windows XP is currently about 2.5% of our page views (across all Wikimedia sites); data for the latest week I can grab:
<div style="margin-left: 2em; border: 1px solid black; padding: 0.5em; width:30em;">
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|+ Client OS breakdown for Wikimedia sites by number of page views;<br/>week of 2016-03-06
!OS family
!OS Major version
!View count
!%age
|-
|Windows
|7
|868756774
|23.29%
|-
|iOS
|9
|508433926
|13.63%
|-
|Other
|—
|417183368
|11.18%
|-
|Android
|4
|377281000
|10.11%
|-
|Android
|5
|321741918
|8.63%
|-
|Windows
|10
|320880388
|8.60%
|-
|Mac OS X
|10
|228521486
|6.13%
|-
|Windows
|8.1
|211357335
|5.67%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|94813298
|2.54%
|-
|iOS
|8
|82654297
|2.22%
|-
|Windows
|8
|41066156
|1.10%
|-
|iOS
|7
|35716851
|0.96%
|-
|Windows Phone
|8
|32697298
|0.88%
|-
|Linux
|—
|28230607
|0.76%
|-
|Windows
|Vista
|25243248
|0.68%
|-
|Android
|6
|22777455
|0.61%
|-
|Android
|—
|21188423
|0.57%
|-
|Android
|2
|19362537
|0.52%
|-
|Windows
|98
|18204450
|0.49%
|-
|Chrome OS
|7647
|12346421
|0.33%
|-
|Windows CE
|—
|11172571
|0.30%
|-
|Ubuntu
|—
|9423933
|0.25%
|-
|iOS
|6
|6499229
|0.17%
|-
|iOS
|5
|4070489
|0.11%
|-
|BlackBerry OS
|10
|3454541
|0.09%
|-
|Mac OS X
|—
|3409944
|0.09%
|-
|BlackBerry OS
|7
|2168252
|0.06%
|-
|Windows
|—
|821651
|0.02%
|-
|Windows Phone
|10
|588133
|0.02%
|}</div>
: Also, note that IE8 doesn't get JavaScript either any more, as of a few months ago. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:58, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::Is that all sites? Do we also have stats for only en.wiki, to which this issue applies? <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {{[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]}}</code> 17:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Edokter}} Yes, all sites, as I said. I don't have data specific to enwiki, though I'd be very surprised if it was significantly different. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 17:46, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:::: I often hear large parts China still use XP, so that may inflate global XP usage, which may be significantly less for en.wiki-only stats. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {{[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]}}</code> 18:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Jdforrester (WMF)}} Can you also find out how many people are using (Chrome OR Opera) AND XP (preferably for enwiki)? —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 17:20, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Ruud Koot}} Sure:
<div style="margin-left: 6em; border: 1px solid black; padding: 0.5em; width:50em;">
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|+ Windows XP client browser breakdown for users of Wikimedia sites by number of page views;<br>week of 2016-03-06
!OS family
!OS Major version
!Browser family
!Browser Major version
!View count
!%age
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Chrome
|48
|35782447
|0.9593%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Firefox
|44
|18254339
|0.4894%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|IE
|6
|11850466
|0.3177%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|IE
|8
|7500474
|0.2011%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|IE
|7
|3946780
|0.1058%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Chrome
|49
|3648520
|0.0978%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Other
|—
|2539410
|0.0681%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Firefox
|45
|2395051
|0.0642%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Opera
|35
|2322165
|0.0623%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Firefox
|6
|2226261
|0.0597%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Opera
|12
|2158470
|0.0579%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Firefox
|43
|1410874
|0.0378%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Opera
|32
|415351
|0.0111%
|-
|Windows
|XP
|Firefox
|3
|362690
|0.0097%
|}
</div>
: Hope this helps. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 17:46, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Isn't a more future-proof solution to just apply "sans-serif" (or "serif") everywhere? [[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 10:28, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
:That is already the case (in Vector). This is about removing any forced fonts for unicode (and the template). <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {{[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]}}</code> 11:23, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
This currently affects up to 1.1% of users weighted by page views. Shall we wait 2 or 3 more months until Chrome on XP is really dead and this may fall under 1%? —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 20:34, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
:As I noted above; if countries like China contribute to these numbers (by way of visits to cn.wiki), XP usage be be inflated. That is why I am hoping to see some numbers specific to en.wiki. I suspect it would dive under 1%. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {{[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]}}</code> 11:43, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
As Windows XP is no longer supported, I have removed the font declarations. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {{[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]}}</code> 18:12, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
:It might no longer be supported by Microsoft, but that doesn't mean that people have stopped using it. My hardware is not capable of running anything that is (a) more recent and (b) reliable. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 20:41, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
::Are you referring to Unicode or IPA? Unicode was removed weeks ago. Anyway, MS dropped support two years ago, and browsers that need this (Chrome) have dropped support as well. If you use Firefox, you should be OK. <code style="font-size:small;white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {{[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]}}</code> 21:35, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm referring to XP, as in "As Windows XP is no longer supported". I use Firefox mostly, sometimes Opera. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:42, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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