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*'''Support''', though surely {{cl|Writers about music}} is a more natural name, in terms of grammar? As you said, it's for people who write about music - and less ambiguous in general terms. It doesn't matter overly with music as the subject, but sooner or later we'd get something like "writers on furniture" or "writers on books" as potential categories. Better to call it "about" while there's only a handful of categories of thsi type. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 00:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', doesn't match Wikipedia's writer category naming scheme, e.g. [[:Category:Chilean comics writers]], [[:Category:New Zealand sportswriters]], [[:Category:French television writers]], [[:Category:American garden writers]]. Eventually someone would rename them all back because they'd stick out like a sore thumb. <span style="color:#b8c8d4">— <b><span style="font-family:Zapfino,Monotype Corsiva;"> [[User:Warren|Warren]].</span></b> ‘ <span style="font-size:9pt;">[[User talk:Warren|talk]]</span> ,</span> 02:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
::"Comics writers" is for people who write comics, not people who write prose analysis ''about'' comics. "Television writers" is for people who write television programs, not people who write prose analysis about television — and sportswriters and garden writers are irrelevant here, because there's no possible ambiguity. Sports and gardens are not things that can ''be'' written, but things that can only be written ''about'' as a subject. The problem here remains that people ''have'' been filing songwriters and composers in here — music is a thing that can be ''both'' written about as a subject ''and'' written as a thing in its own right, and we ''do'' have precedent for shifting to "writers on S" or "writers about X" in situations where "X writers" carries that ambiguity. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 19:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Bearcat's rationale, but '''prefer''' Grutness' idea, "about" as opposed to "on". {{ping|Warren}} I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I would argue that "sportswriter" is an accepted term per my handy dandy dictionary, and you can't really "write" sports - you can only write {{em|about}} them. Same goes for gardens and horticulture. You {{em|can}}, however, write comics and TV shows. I feel it should be judged as to whether the thing can be written into existence or written {{em|about}}, and for things that can be both, "X writers" and "Writers about X" categories should be developed. <span style="color:gray;">'''Zeke'''</span>, the '''Mad <span style="color:blue;">Horrorist</span>''' <small><sup>[[User talk:Zeke, the Mad Horrorist|(Speak quickly)]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contribs/Zeke, the Mad Horrorist|(Follow my trail)]]</sub></small> 09:21, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
*:English already has three words for people who author music: [[Composer]], [[Lyricist]] and [[Songwriter]]. And Wikipedia has two matching category hierarchies for that: [[:Category:Composers]] and [[:Category:Songwriters]]. Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22music+writer%22&title=Special:Search&profile=default&fulltext=1&searchToken=8eh1zi37y6bnh30ipznd8nptu already uses the term "music writer" pretty widely], and there are plenty of reliable sources that use the term. A routine Google search (your friend, BTW) for "[[Dave Thompson]] music writer" turns up [https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA751CA752&ei=6ixrWsmUGYXdjwTugbCIAg&q=%22Dave+Thompson%22+%22music+writer%22&oq=%22Dave+Thompson%22+%22music+writer%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...10918.11991.0.12125.2.2.0.0.0.0.83.154.2.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.82...0i22i30k1.0.LoLeEqqc6JY lots of hits]. "Writer on music" though? [https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA751CA752&ei=-CxrWo6uAen-jwSHo6zwDw&q=%22Dave+Thompson%22+%22writer+on+music%22&oq=%22Dave+Thompson%22+%22writer+on+music%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...65399.66639.0.66711.15.13.0.0.0.0.155.1171.7j5.12.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..9.4.328...0i7i30k1j0i7i10i30k1j0i8i7i10i30k1.0.KOo-idKkZjM Almost nothing in comparison]. <span style="color:#b8c8d4">— <b><span style="font-family:Zapfino,Monotype Corsiva;"> [[User:Warren|Warren]].</span></b> ‘ <span style="font-size:9pt;">[[User talk:Warren|talk]]</span> ,</span> 13:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
:::Yes, we have such words — but that doesn't stop people from sometimes misfiling composers and lyricists and songwriters in here anyway, just as the fact that we have the word [[screenwriter]] for people who write film scripts didn't stop people from misfiling screenwriters in {{cl|Film writers}} instead of {{cl|Screenwriters}}. Not every speaker of English necessarily always knows the ''proper'' word for everything. Category names are not necessarily restricted to "what's the most common name for it in the sources" — we have ''lots'' of categories where we've shifted to an alternate wording, if the usual name for it is actually ambiguous in actual practice. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 19:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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