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::::::::: It's not all that hypothetical; it's what happened with ''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History Matters|History Matters]],'' for example: mentioned only briefly in niche-but-reliable sources, and so merged into the article on the university that publishes it. ''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Microbial Genomics (journal)|Microbial Genomics]]'' was redirected to the [[Microbiology Society]]. Similarly for ''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hurly-Burly|Hurly-Burly]],'' which was merged to the article on its founder. In the case of ''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catalyst (journal)|Catalyst]],'' the article on a new journal was redirected to that of its more-established sister publication, per [[WP:TOOSOON]]. The argument has also been made in discussions that ended up with deletion, e.g., ''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IEEE Transactions on Emerging Topics in Computational Intelligence|IEEE Transactions on Emerging Health in Computational Intelligence]].'' [[User:XOR'easter|XOR'easter]] ([[User talk:XOR'easter|talk]]) 00:35, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

: '''Delete''': This is now just a fork of [[Frontiers Media]]. The encyclopedic content belongs in that article (and that's what all the substantive references are about). The list of journals is not encyclopedic content and doesn't belong on Wikipedia (but would make a fine external link). --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 12:50, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

:'''Keep or merge'''Merge''' with [[Frontiers Media]]. This AfD nomination was made within 20 minutes of the article's creation while it was actively under construction, which to me does ''not'' assume [[WP:AGF|good faith]], and is fairly malicious. I know there's no rule on how soon an article can be nominated, but I'm tired of running into AfDs which were nominated while obviously still under construction. Just assume good faith people! I know there are draft forms and sandboxes for this, so the article's creator is more at fault, but in any case nominators should be able to tell when a page is under construction and should practice patience before getting a quick AfD stat. Ok, off my soapbox.. In its current state the article is well-written and well sourced with reliable and verifiable references. Since the AfD nomination the page has been completely overhauled and has a lot of material that is specific to the Frontier Journals that warrants a nice spinout article from the main page. My recommendation would be to change the name to "Frontiers journal series" as it is on the Frontiers Media page as that's how more people would likely search for it, but as it stands right now the page meets [[WP:GNG]] and should be kept. [[User:Semmendinger|<b style="color:#000080">S<small>EMMENDINGER</small></b>]] ([[User talk:Semmendinger|<b style="color:#F80"><small>talk</small></b>]]) 17:39, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

:::[[Frontiers journal series]] redirects to the article btw, [http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py?page=Frontiers_in..._journal_series as do a few other aliases]. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 17:52, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

::Just for the sake of clarity, the above isn't a criticism of jytdog, who is an exceptional editor, it's more of my frustration in the current AfD policies. Just preemptively stating this as the above was not to be inflammatory! :) [[User:Semmendinger|<b style="color:#000080">S<small>EMMENDINGER</small></b>]] ([[User talk:Semmendinger|<b style="color:#F80"><small>talk</small></b>]]) 17:45, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

:::[[User:Semmendinger]] thanks for your kind note. The additional content is padding and is about the publisher; this was entirely predictable. The creator is focused on getting the full list of Frontiers journals ''somewhere'' in Wikipedia under the (in my view) mistaken notion that WP should be a catalog for journals. That is what this is about, at base - they created this only after getting resistance to including the list in the publisher article. The list of Frontiers journals is not notable; the publisher is. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 22:57, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

:::: Right: none of the encyclopedic content added to this article is about the "Frontiers in ... series" as distinct from the publisher Frontiers Media; the two subjects are synonymous for all practical purposes. There should be one article, it should have the union of the encyclopedic contents of these two articles, and it should ''not'' have the list of all journals because that's just an indiscriminate list and is better provided as an external link. If anyone is engaging in bad faith here it is Headbomb, creating and then padding this article to avoid the consensus [[Talk:Frontiers Media|here]] to delete the list of journals. --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 23:46, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

:::: Sorry for the delay in response. The way I see it now (after reading much more into the resulting conversation since I've initially voted) is that this page might be a proper [[WP:SPINOUT]] article for the main Frontiers Media article, but at this point in time that main page isn't large enough to warrant a spinout. I agree that the list of journals alone does not meet notability, but the rest of the information that's been included in the current state of this page is actually pretty well-sourced and would be a nice addition to the main page should this one fall under deletion. For now, I've changed my vote to '''Merge''' with the main page. [[User:Semmendinger|<b style="color:#000080">S<small>EMMENDINGER</small></b>]] ([[User talk:Semmendinger|<b style="color:#F80"><small>talk</small></b>]]) 00:02, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

* '''Speedy keep''': We have a discussion to merge the list in a article and this only done to remove the list without clear discussion. For now, speedy keep it until there are clear discussion to remove it. [[Special:Contributions/176.27.175.9|176.27.175.9]] ([[User talk:176.27.175.9|talk]]) 18:34, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

:: To the extent that any sense can be made of this !vote at all, it appears to have the sequence of events that led to the creation of this article precisely backwards. --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 23:46, 15 March 2018 (UTC)