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:::::::::Consider this situation, Alice applies for a job, with Bob being in charge of the hiring process. Alice published a paper in ''Frontiers in Diabetes''. Having heard colleges having debates about the Frontiers series before, Bob decides to check the Frontiers Media/Frontiers series article to see what the fuss was about, but it doesn't mention which journals are parts of it, nor is the information available on Wikipedia. Since the journal is named ''Frontiers in...'', they assume it's part of the series... at the same time they also learn published a lot of quackery, AIDS denialism, anti-vaccines crap, and the like. Academic B then judges Academic A negatively for publishing in quack journals, and hires someone else instead. ~~~~ |
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:::::::Yes, I do not know the strength of the first ref you listed, but the other two are really good. At this point I just don't see the need to make a spinout article for the journals when this all would fit so well in the main page. Without the journal title section the rest of this article fits nicely in Frontiers Media. I think you've done a lot of excellent work in creating this page and am pretty much sitting on the fence because both sides are bringing up fair points (I feel bad for whoever has to make the final decision here). I'm 100% against deletion on this, but when this information fits perhaps better in the main article I can't strongly vote keep, so merge seems like a happy medium in light of arguments made here. [[User:Semmendinger|<b style="color:#000080">S<small>EMMENDINGER</small></b>]] ([[User talk:Semmendinger|<b style="color:#F80"><small>talk</small></b>]]) 01:39, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::::{{Re|Semmendinger}} The first ref addresses specifically how the picture of predatory publishing changes depending on whether or not you consider the Frontiers journal series to be predatory. As for the list itself, it's of rather paramount importance, otherwise readers cannot know what journals are in the series, which also runs the risk of confusing [[Frontiers#In science and academia|a slew of journals and book series]] named ''Frontiers in/of...'' such as ''[[Frontiers in Neuroendocrinology]]'' (Elsevier) which a reader could easily assume is part of the series when it's not. Or even a worse situation, dealing with ''[[Frontiers of Physics]]'' ([[Springer (publisher)|Springer]]/[[Higher Education Press]] journal]) vs. ''[[Frontiers in Physics]]'' (Frontiers Media journal) vs [https://www.thriftbooks.com/series/frontiers-in-physics/41237/ Frontiers in Physics] (Princeton University Press book series).<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 04:44, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Consider this situation, Alice applies for a job, with Bob being in charge of the hiring process. Alice published a paper in ''[[Frontiers in Diabetes]]''. Having heard colleges having debates about the Frontiers series before, Bob decides to check the Frontiers Media/Frontiers series article to see what the fuss was about, but it doesn't mention which journals are parts of it, nor is the information available on Wikipedia. Since the journal is named ''Frontiers in...'', they assume it's part of the series... at the same time they also learn published a lot of quackery, AIDS denialism, anti-vaccines crap, and the like. Academic B then judges Academic A negatively for publishing in quack journals, and hires someone else instead. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 04:58, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
* '''Speedy keep''': We have a discussion to merge the list in a article and this only done to remove the list without clear discussion. For now, speedy keep it until there are clear discussion to remove it. [[Special:Contributions/176.27.175.9|176.27.175.9]] ([[User talk:176.27.175.9|talk]]) 18:34, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
:: To the extent that any sense can be made of this !vote at all, it appears to have the sequence of events that led to the creation of this article precisely backwards. --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 23:46, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
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