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Elf-friend: it's not a single-purpose account, but it is new; most of my edits have been made anonymously, and this is the first debatable/controversial edit I've made. I recognize that my edit was not undertaken in the spirit of consensus, but I felt that it was better to remove (or at least hide) the image first, then debate its appropriateness. I would have done the same thing had an analogous image shown up on the Child Pornography article. My primary concern is not, in fact, copyright (although that's clearly an issue), but consent; clearing copyright can, however, often act as evidence of consent. But even if copyright and consent issues were cleared, I would find the image inappropriate. Not necessarily offensive to me, mind you, but inappropriate for a Wikipedia article. From [[Wikipedia:Profanity]]: "Words and images that would be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available." The image was gratutious. As pointed out above, the motivation behind its original inclusion can be ascertained by the tongue-in-cheek accompaniment of "Another example of bukkake". Ha ha, all well and good for a little laugh, but Wikipedia should be a resource for learning about something without necessarily being exposed to it. We don't rub people's faces in photos of rape, child pornography, bodily mutilation, etc. We can point them toward such things elsewhere on the web, but we should allow people to read about them before being confronted by such images. This is not censorship. Text and images are different from each other, and images, while often informative, also have a cognitive impact that text does not. We should be sensitive to people's aversion to certain images, while balancing it against our mission of informing readers. Here, the image was gratuitous and distracting, and I do not believe it was included in good faith (one of the three main requirements for Wikipedia edits, along with civility and consensus). For a more reasonable (IMO) approach to illustrated articles on pornography, see e.g. [[Pornography]], which seems to strike a better balance. [[User:Mrnorwood|Mrnorwood]] 16:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 
::A note on the citation of [[[[Wikipedia:Profanity]]]]: that is a guideline, not a policy. [[WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not censored]] instead is a policy. Therefore one may argue that a specific case should be an exception for a guideline, unlike policies that should have no exceptions.--[[User:BMF81|BMF81]] 15:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 
:Why in the world should we be sensitive to people's aversions? There are people out there who would faint from looking at an anatomical diagram, much less a real-world picture. I'm certainly averse to some pictures in the [[Armenian Genocide]] article, but they serve a function that no textual summation could. Judging an illustrative image (the only one on the page, mind you) as gratuitious or profane is condescending, human beings live in a complex world that includes both the profane and the sublime. Also, comparing this article to one on rape sets up a straw man argument, since rape is not the subject of this discussion. A graphic rendering or photograph of Bukkake is perfectly legal and relevant to the article.
:All that being said, the picture currently used is infringing on copyright, as the photo itself is a commercial product. However if an appropriate free-use or fair-use image is found, any attempt to censor it will be an action of personal bias. ˉˉ<sup>[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']]</sup>╞[[User_talk:Anetode|┬]]╡ 00:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)