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*'''Strongly oppose''' - there was an [[Italian peninsula]] in the Middle Ages, but there was certainly no Republic of [[Italy]]. This is a gross anachronism, which is bound in the confusion between Italian peninsula (shortened "Italy") and Republic of Italy (shortened "Italy"). In Wikipedia [[Italy]] redirects to the modern republic. Suggest '''Alternative reverse merge''' of all "Italy" categories at the Middle Ages time into Papal States year categories.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 10:03, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' "Suggest '''Alternative reverse merge''' of all "Italy" categories at the Middle Ages time into Papal States year categories." Is this a joke? The [[Papal States]] covered areas in [[Lazio]], [[Marche]], [[Umbria]], [[Romagna]], and [[Emilia (region of Italy)|Emilia]]. They never covered the entire [[Italian Peninsula]], where several other states were competing for power and territories. And there were parts of the Papal States which were outside the Peninsula: [[Avignon]] and [[Comtat Venaissin]]. Avignon remained under Papal control from 1309 to 1791, when annexed by the [[Kingdom of France (1791–92)|Kingdom of France]] during the [[French Revolution]]. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 12:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Dimadick, well at least there were Papal States in the Middle Ages; there was certainly no [[Italy]] (modern Republic of Italy). When you think of Italy - you consider borders of modern Italian Republic, but there was no such a thing until 19th century. If you like - you can propose rename of all Italy year categories at the Middle Ages period into Italian Peninsula year categories.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 12:58, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
** If I understand correctly this is not a strong oppose against merging ''as such'', but against Italy as a merge ''target''. However, [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_February_23#Years_and_decades_in_Italy_(1000-1859)|in this discussion]] there was consensus to keep medieval Italian categories, so it is pointless to bypass those categories in this nomination. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 16:22, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Papal States was a polity, Italy was in that period merely a historical geographic reference. Not the same concepts. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 18:09, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
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