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:Well I think you'd struggle to find a language which is less verbose than C for creating a linked list. But for the sentence to belong in the lead (let alone the first paragraph), Python should be less verbose than all, or nearly all, other languages. One ref says it is less verbose than C or Java (but I suspect that is also true for most other languages), and the other has a table showing 1/(lines of code): C 1, C++ 2.5, Fortran 2, Java 2.5, Visual Basic 4.5, Python Perl and Smalltalk all 6. So it's ahead of some pretty small languages, and equal with Perl and Smalltalk - nothing special. And it's from studies done in 1998-2000, so out of date. [[User:Adpete|Adpete]] ([[User talk:Adpete|talk]]) 06:05, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

== Python 2 & 3 ==

Should the second sentence of the lead in our very highest level introductory article on Python throw new readers immediately into the issue of Py2 vs Py3? See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Python_(programming_language)&diff=837035671&oldid=836970091] & [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Python_(programming_language)&diff=837036635&oldid=837036269]. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 09:53, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

:No, thanks for removing it. I take the point about 2 and 3 being different languages, but that is a detail for elsewhere in the article. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 10:02, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

:: I think it's more than a "detail" and could use a substantial section. However it doesn't belong ''so early''. Python is growing rapidly at the moment. A lot of Python coders now (by head count, rather than LoC count) have simply never used 2. We could even try an article on the two (easily notable), but I think that would probably get stomped as [[WP:NOTMANUAL]]. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 10:09, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

== Adding a "Learning Methods" section ==

Hello. New wiki editor here so I apologize if this topic has been hashed out before(although I couldn't find it in the talk archives). Would it be a good idea to add a short section about commond, and free, ways that programmers learn Python? I am thinking Python's built in library [https://docs.python.org/3.7/library/turtle.html turtle], Google's [https://developers.google.com/edu/python/ free python course], etc. Since many people who land on this wiki will have at least a cursory interest in actually learning the basics of Python, it seems like a good place to encourage free and open source materials. [[User:Muhareer|Muhareer]] ([[User talk:Muhareer|talk]]) 15:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

* It would have to be compliant with [[WP:NOTHOWTO]]. [[User:ALTAF ANSARI04/sandbox]] certainly isn't.

: There's also the problem that it's now the start of term for Indian colleges and already we've seen a lot of trivial vandalism, and some well-intentioned but inappropriate changes. As a result, the article is likely to be locked from editing by new editors altogether.

: It is difficult to use WP articles for three things simultaneously, although colleges keep trying! The article ''should'' be here as an encyclopedia article. It's not Wikipedia's role to be a classroom exercise in how to write articles though, obvious though that is as a thing to do in colleges. So it's good to get students engaged with article writing, but it must never be at the cost of the encyclopedia quality of those articles. Students also want to write a whole new article from scratch, and that's hard, as so many topics have been started now and what they need is expansion and improvement, not initial creation. It's much harder to ''teach'' article writing, when it's work on an existing article than when it's all new. The third goal that colleges keep wanting to do is to write "how to" tutorial articles. These just don't belong ''here''. There are places they do belong, even within Wikimedia projects, but not on the encyclopedia. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 09:21, 24 August 2018 (UTC)