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*'''Oppose''' per Peterkingiron.--[[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] ([[User talk:Darwinek|talk]]) 14:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per nom. & DexDor. ancestry is usually trivial and unverifiable and unless someone can point out that Finnish Swedish people do something notably differently to others, useless too. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 18:09, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Centuries of waves of European history have seen boundaries change and regimes changes. There are many town and cities in Europe where the same family could have lived in in the same house through the generations for the last four of five centuries and been at various times in multiple different countries, with several different official languages.
:Whole countries and huge empires have come and gone; some countries have moved so radically that there is little territorial continuity. ethnic and cultural groupings are very complex. Boundaries have shifted, some languages and cultures have been suppressed, and there have been mass migrations. Some minority groups have largely assimilated, others much less so.
:Some individuals and some families remain closely immersed in one part of that heritage, others much less so. This can happen even within one generation.
:So the question is how much of this vast kaleidescope of complexity Wikipedia tries to capture in its category system.
:Ten years ago, I would have been inclined to be answer "as much a possible". But I no longer think that approach is sustainable. Too few of our articles capture enough of the complexity of ethnicity and identity to allow meaningful categorisation. The binary nature of categorisation doesn't capture the vast difference between someone whose ancestors assimilated three centuries ago and someone whose family maintained the old ways until a generation ago — in categorisation policy terms, we are looking at an attribute whose [[WP:DEFININGNESS]] can be anywhere from 0% to 100%, and often unclear.
:So I conclude that the category system is just to crude to do a decent enough job on on this to make such categories any more than a poorly-sourced, woefully incomplete, ill-defined and disastrously un-nuanced mishmash.
:Of course, theses issue should be discussed within the article, subject to all the usual policies: [[WP:V]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:WEIGHT]] etc. But this is one of the jobs which the category system can't manage. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 20:11, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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