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I came from [[Template:Uw-3block]], but in my experience this applies to many blocking templates. I don't think the phrase "as you did on" necessarily is the best turn of phrase, particularly when it comes to the quoted template. I believe it would be better if it read something like "you have been blocked for violating the 3-revert rule on X", or "on among other articles X".--<span style="background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold">[[User:Launchballer|<u style="color:#00F">Laun</u>]][[User talk:Launchballer|<u style="color:#00F">chba</u>]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|<u style="color:#00F">ller</u>]]</span> 16:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

:Concerning the use of as you did on X vs on X to me just on X seems to say that the reason the user was blocked was only for their edit to X. The current wording seems to convey that X isn't necessarily the only page that the person may have been damaging, but just one example of the page. [[User:Sakura Cartelet|<span style="color: fuchsia;">Sak</span><span style="color: red;">ura </span><span style="color: gold;">Cart</span><span style="color: cyan;">elet</span>]]^{[[User_talk:Sakura Cartelet|Talk]]} 21:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

== Too bitey? ==

(Originally posted at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/RexxS]])

* On civility : I have [[WP:HITANDRUN|often]] [[WP:DBT|thought]] that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Livia_Dutra&diff=889812491&oldid=889788338 messages like this] are more disruptive and bitey than "FFS will you stop?" - but I don't think that's a widely shared view [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 20:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

**It seems to be derived from a template, so perhaps it can be changed to make it not as bitey? -- [[User:Lofty abyss|<span style="color: #800080; font-family: courier new;">Lofty</span>]] [[User talk:Lofty abyss|<span style="color: #000000; font-family: courier new;">abyss</span>]] 22:03, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

*** That's a tough one, especially for new editors when you don't want to bite them, but you do want to warn them about 3RR as they are probably not aware of it. There is an alternative to [[Template:Uw-3rr]], unsurprisingly called [[Template:Uw-3rr-alt]] that's a bit more chatty and yet shorter. Maybe it needs to be better advertised? --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 23:19, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

****There's also {{tl|uw-ew}} (which doesn't mention 3rr for some reason) and {{tl|uw-ewsoft}} as well. [[User:Ansh666|ansh]][[User talk:Ansh666|<span style="font-size:80%">''666''</span>]] 04:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

****:I think that {{tlx|uw-ew}} not mentioning 3rr is intentional; this allows it to be used in cases where somebody who was blocked for repeated reversion has returned from the block and immediately made a single revert to one of the disputed articles, {{diff|User talk:Moylesy98|prev|890338080|as here}}. Used in this sense, it doesn't imply that the user had the right to make a fresh set of three reverts with impunity - indeed, it states, in boldfaced text, "Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made". --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 06:19, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

***:{{tl|uw-ewsoft}} is wonderful. It starts with the main point, and has a paragraph break between the problem explanation and the consequences warning. The latter part directly starts with the most important information. The template does not use a big red stop sign in a heated situation; instead, it calmly explains something that is unlikely to be intuitive to new users. It explains Wikipedia's discussion process without drowning the user in details. I rarely ever use any other template to warn edit warriors. The only alternative I use, for experienced users, is a very short, neutral, manual message like "Hi, regarding [[Article]], please keep [[WP:3RR]] in mind. Thanks <nowiki>~~</nowiki><nowiki>~~</nowiki>" [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 11:08, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

**:Whatever standard template you transclude, even if you use an automated tool, it's you and you alone that's responsible for your edits. No-one's stopping you from writing a personalised message to the user, using the more obscure alternative templates or making your own template. I'm agreed with Ritchie333 that this is a real civility problem that is very normalised among the community, and causes crippling long-term damage to the site, but I still believe the other kind of civility problem does the same thing, just to experienced editors rather than new ones. <span class="nowrap">— '''[[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]]''' (he/him) _{[[User talk:Bilorv|('''talk''')]]}</span> 00:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)