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::*I don't know if you're aware, but Shakespeare died four hundred years ago! English has changed a lot since his day. ''Modern'' Commonwealth English overwhelmingly uses the 's' form. Your argument based on {{cl|Organizations}} seems to be saying we should use the 'z' spelling in all such categories, which is definitely not in the spirit of Wikipedia's non-insistence on any one variety of English. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 12:25, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
:::* Use 'z' until it becomes wrong (or not considered acceptable by the RfC or Cfd audience) at the country level. I am in the UK (well to the north of Oxford); 'z' was taught as correct (greatly preferable if one wished to be thought literate) in the 1950s and no doubt this is no longer the case. [http://www.metadyne.co.uk/ize.html This] gives a good summary. Anyway, why should Haiti use 'ise' which is definitely British English, rather than 'ize', which is an accepted variety of British English, with its own template {{tl|Use British English Oxford spelling}} with 1300 transclusions, and also correct US English? [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 13:53, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
::::*I went to (public) school in the 1970s and 1980s, well to the south of Oxford, and I can't recall anyone telling me either spelling was right or wrong or being patronising enough to inform me that the 'Oxford' spelling was "greatly preferable if one wished to be thought literate". However, a look at the media will show that the 's' spelling is now greatly preferred in the UK and most other Commonwealth countries (with the notable exception of Canada, of course, but including those in the Caribbean adjacent to Haiti). Nobody is saying that the 'z' spelling is not an accepted variety of British English; however, hopefully nobody is saying that the 's' spelling isn't either or is arrogant enough to allege that the 'z' spelling is somehow the only correct one and those who don't use it are not fully literate. Given Haiti is not an English-speaking country I fail to see why either spelling should be preferred for articles about it. We should therefore go with the one that has been used most and especially with the one already used in the top-level category for that country. Otherwise we are in danger of being seen to claim either that the 'z' spelling is "correct" and the 's' spelling "incorrect" or that because America uses the 'z' spelling that should be the default on Wikipedia, neither of which are acceptable viewpoints on Wikipedia. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 14:27, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
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