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:* '''Propose merging''' {{lc|American male politicians of Indian descent}} to {{cl|American politicians of Indian descent}}<br />

:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per longstanding consensus when similar categories have been tried in the past, there's no value in gender-categorizing male politicians. The vast majority of politicians throughout history have been male by default, and there's no need to categorize people for a characteristic shared by the vast majority of them -- the reason women are different when it comes to politics, and the reason why the category for women in politics does ''not'' need to be balanced against a similar category for men, is that women in politics only started to emerge in the 20th century (as opposed to men, who've been in politics right from the very birth of politics). Women still represent barely 25 per cent of all politicians even ''with'' all the progress that has been made in the past 100 years, and even today, there are still political roles which have never been held by a woman at all -- and because women in politics are still both newer and rarer than men in politics, women in politics are the subject of special gender-based study in reliable sources: we still see real academic analysis of whether gender plays a role in how political candidates are perceived and whether it confers a disadvantage in winning election to certain offices; we still see real academic analysis of whether women do the job differently than men or not; we still see active programs designed to facilitate and increase women's participation in politics; and on and so forth. There isn't similar gender-based analysis of men in politics, however: men just get analyzed as politicians period, and only women get analyzed for the intersection of politics with gender. Female-X categories do not ''always'' have to be matched with a male-X equivalent; it depends on context, and politics is not a context where maleness is distinctive or defining. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 20:39, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. We've had these arguments before.[[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 21:39, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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