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Line 12: *{{tl\|sfp top}} for customized result description (use <nowiki>{{sfp top\|result}}</nowiki>). Discussion footer: {{tl\|sfd bottom}} ==={{cl\|Finnish football biography stubs}}=== {{sfp create}} Four page parent, 62 double-stubbed. [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 22:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC) {{sfd bottom}} ===Further sorting of {{tl\|India-bio-stub}}=== {{sfp create}} After making {{tl\|India-scientist-stub}} and getting approval for {{tl\|India-academic-bio-stub}} this week, found that there is a further need to create the following stubs to sort this VERY LARGE and growing bio stub. * {{tl\|India-mil-bio-stub}} - over 60 articles * {{tl\|India-med-bio-stub}} - over 60 articles * {{tl\|India-musician-stub}} - over 60 articles * {{tl\|India-law-bio-stub}} - over 60 articles * {{tl\|India-reli-bio-stub}} - over 60 articles A speedy approval is requested as of now not many plans for the weekend ;-) [[User:SlaveToTheWage\|STTW]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:SlaveToTheWage\|(talk)]]</font> 20:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC) :: Now do have plans, working on {{tl\|Germany-stub}} and {{tl\|Germany-bio-stub}} stub sort, {{tl\|India-bio-stub}} needs to wait some more time, hopefully till then we would have reached a consensus. :-\| [[User:SlaveToTheWage\|STTW]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:SlaveToTheWage\|(talk)]]</font> 12:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC) :If you speedily confirm there's more than 60 in each, we promise not to complain too much. :) (And you'd be due much thanks in the long run, obviously.) If you want to be super-scrupulous, you could always populate upmerged templates in the meantime... [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 20:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC) :: {{tl\|India-bio-stub}} contains over 800 articles, going through less than half of them I found that the following cats {{tl\|India-mil-bio-stub}}, {{tl\|India-med-bio-stub}} and {{tl\|India-reli-bio-stub}} definatley have more than 60 articles. About {{tl\|India-musican-stub}} and {{tl\|India-law-bio-stub}} cannot give figures for sure now but I think would touch 60 when I am through with all the bio stubs. [[User:SlaveToTheWage\|STTW]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:SlaveToTheWage\|(talk)]]</font> 21:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC) '''Support''' any over 60 in size - willing to turn a blind eye to airly speedy creation if there are no complaints, but Alai's suggestion is probably a better one: set the new templates to the main cat until you're sure there are 60, then make the new cat and re-point the template. FWIW, 800 isn't really "very large" by stub standards, but it's certainly well on the way there. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 22:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC) It's over 800, which is "very large" by my definition, not to mention [[WP:WSS/T]]'s (where you'll note that it was recently even larger). [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 02:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC) whoops - yes, for some reason I was remembering our six hundred definition for very large as six ''pages'' (which is very VERY large!) [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 07:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC) OK, I see, but... where's it defined as ''six'' hundred, either? Granted anything over a listing page is starting to be less than optimal in some sense, and and higher cutoff is fairly arbitrary, but it would be useful to keep to a standard number, with regard to what to tag with {{tl\|verylargestub}}, list as cases resorting/splitting cases on the to-do list, and bear in mind as "extenuating circumstances" for creating splits we'd otherwise be lukewarm about. (For each of those, I'd be inclined to go with 800 as the admittedly-arbitrary-cutoff, at least until such time as there's a decision to move it in unison for each of them.) [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 12:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC) Actually, that's a good question. I'm sure we've used it before, but the WP:WSS/T page lists both >800 and 5 pages as oversized in different sections. Seems to be pretty arbitrary overall, come to think of it. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC) *Five listing pages and > 800 articles are more or less the same thing (give or take the high-700s with numerous subcats). [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 00:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC) Hm. I've always taken it to mean five ''full'' pages. Same as with the bins used for counting on the stub type page, we count in hundreds up to "<800", then the next bin after that is "5 pages". [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 01:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC) '''Support'''. Seems fine. '''''[[User:Nauticashades\|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades\|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza\|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades\|s]]</font>''' 14:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC) {{sfd bottom}} ==={{tl\|Samoa-geo-stub}}=== {{sfp create}} I got bored, and I had a map of Samoa nearby. Soo... there are now 41 new Samoa-geo-stubs to add to the 27 that were already on WP. Result - one new country-geo-stub ready for splitting. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 07:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC) '''Support'''. Go ahead. '''''[[User:Nauticashades\|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades\|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza\|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades\|s]]</font>''' 14:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC) '''Support''' [[User:Valentinian\|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian\|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian\|(contribs)]]</sup> 18:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC) Done. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC) {{sfd bottom}} ===North America mountain stubs=== {{sfp nocreate}} * {{tl\|US-mountain-stub}} * {{tl\|Canada-mountain-stub}} * {{tl\|Mexico-mountain-stub}} '''Oppose'''. Country-geo-stubs are divided by subnational region, not landform. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 08:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC) '''Oppose'''. Per Grutness. '''''[[User:Nauticashades\|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades\|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza\|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades\|s]]</font>''' 14:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC) '''Oppose''' per Grutness [[User:Valentinian\|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian\|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian\|(contribs)]]</sup> 20:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC) {{sfd bottom}} ==={{cl\|Wyong suburb geography stubs}}=== {{sfp top\|create as Wyong Shire geography stubs}} I can find 50 of these, possibly to grow when I get a more recent db dump (any month now, perhaps). NSW geos are back up to exactly 800 (or they were yesterday, at any rate). [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 14:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC) :Not sure I like the "suburb geography stubs" idea in general - other Aussie cities we've just gone with the "X geography stub" name. How Wyong got up to 50 I don't know, but if it's needed I'd suggest we do the same here. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 04:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC) ::The permcat is {{cl\|Suburbs of Wyong}}, which seems to correspond in some rather unclear way to [[Wyong Shire]]. If the permcat is renamed and/or rescoped I have no objection to doing so with this. See also {{cl\|Gosford suburb geography stubs}}. [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 12:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC) :Gosford has one too? But we changed the "suburb" categories to plain geography ones for Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth because everywhere else just used geo-stub categories pure and simple! When was the Gosford one proposed? [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 12:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC) ::[[Special:whatlinkshere]] answers the latter question (in this and a number of other such instances). As far as I can see, the parent of the Melbourne stubs is {{cl\|Geography of Melbourne}}, so I see evidence in that case of such a precedent. Furthermore, it does not appear that [[Wyong]] and the suburbs/[[Wyong Shire]] are coterminus, so I don't think it would aid clarity in this instance. [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 13:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC) :Mmm. Well, okay. Not ''entirely'' happy with it, but if that's the best way to split them. It does sound like a move towards "town-stub" though. It will simply be {{tl\|Wyong-geo-stub}} though, no? [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC) ::I assume it would include "geography" ''in'' the various suburbs, too. Yes on the template name; again, see the Gosford example. As I say, if someone wants to do some rejiggification of the permcats (such as renaming to, or adding as a supercat a {{cl\|Wyong Shire}} or something to that effect, if they can sanity-check that makes scoping sense (Aussie use of the term 'suburb' is as a closed book to me)), I'm fine with a name following-some-different-permcat. Or, we could smoosh the two into {{cl\|Central Coast geography stubs}}, come to that. [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 23:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC) :In an attempt to cut this particular Gordian knot, I've created {{cl\|Wyong Shire}}, and renamed this one {{cl\|Wyong Shire geography stubs}}. Let's see if that pans out. [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 20:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC) {{sfd bottom}} ==={{tl\|Germany-bio-stub}} further splits=== {{sfp create}} {{tl\|Germany-architect-stub}} > 60 articles <s>* {{tl\|Germany-inventor-stub}} > 60 articles</s> * {{tl\|Germany-engineer-stub}} > 60 articles * {{tl\|Germany-law-bio-stub}} > 60 articles German people stubs is now 4 page long, the above further splits would shorten it further. [[User:SlaveToTheWage\|STTW]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:SlaveToTheWage\|(talk)]]</font> 13:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC) '''Support'''. But do you really need ''separate'' inventor and engineer types? {{tl\|inventor-stub}} is just a redirect. [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 13:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC) : Thank you for the information, would not be needing the inventor stub. [[User:SlaveToTheWage\|STTW]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:SlaveToTheWage\|(talk)]]</font> 14:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC) '''Support'''. If we're not going to create {{tl\|Germany-inventor-stub}}, then it should redirect to {{tl\|Germany-engineer-stub}}. '''''[[User:Nauticashades\|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades\|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza\|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades\|s]]</font>''' 14:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC) {{sfd bottom}} ==={{tl\|Cameroon-bio-stub}}=== {{sfp create}} I count 54 articles this could be applied to. There is an existing sub-category already, {{tl\|Cameroon-footy-bio-stub}}. I realize that 54 is below the suggeested threshold of 60 articles, but per the discussion on this project's talk page, this shouldn't be too controversial, since 54 is close, and this is an already well-established and viable split to go from <nowiki>{{Foo-stub}} to {{Foo-bio-stub}}.</nowiki> — [[User:BrianSmithson\|BrianSmithson]] 21:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC) Support; 54+1subcat is plenty for me. [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 22:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC) '''Support''' per nom [[User:Valentinian\|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian\|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian\|(contribs)]]</sup> 22:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC) Hate to say "me too", but... "me too". [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness\|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC) {{sfd bottom}} ===Further split of {{tl\|France-bio-stub}}=== {{sfp create}} The following stubs have more than 60 articles :- {{tl\|France-law-bio-stub}} * {{tl\|France-reli-bio-stub}} * {{tl\|France-engineer-stub}} * {{tl\|France-academic-bio-stub}} * {{tl\|France-film-bio-stub}} * {{tl\|France-architect-stub}} * {{tl\|France-historian-stub}} Splits needed to bring down the 5 page stub list. [[User:SlaveToTheWage\|STTW]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:SlaveToTheWage\|(talk)]]</font> 22:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC) :Support, assuming threshold is indeed passed; I'd found a number of each of these, without being able to confirm there being other 60 (but then, there's always uncategorisation in play). [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 23:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC) {{sfd bottom}} ==={{cl\|Tanzanian ethnicity stubs}}=== {{sfp create}} I proposed the category and template about a month ago, with the template being approved. I am requesting the category now. There are 133 articles in the main category and 98% of them are stubs.--[[User:Thomas.macmillan\|Thomas.macmillan]] 23:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC) *(Fixed category link.) Support, and I don't see why this couldn't be speedied, if the only reason for 'upmerging' was size. [[User:Alai\|Alai]] 00:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC) {{sfd bottom}} ==={{tl\|Portugal-writer-stub}} / {{cl\|Portuguese writer stubs}}===

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