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::*<small>{{Reply to|Oculi}} Please see my new merge proposal which should be an improvement from merging to [[:Category:Categories by parameter]]. [[User:Lmatt|Lmatt]] ([[User talk:Lmatt|talk]]) 19:43, 6 November 2019 (UTC)</small>

:::* Any category named [[:Category:Categories by xxx categorization]] should be brought swiftly to cfd, held up to ridicule and expunged. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 13:39, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

::::* I don't think that. [[User:CreativeName1|CN1]] ([[User talk:CreativeName1|talk]]) 13:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' as author I have moved the contents of [[:Category:Categories by adjectival categorization]] to [[:Category:Categories by parametric categorization]] as tagged [[:Category:Categories by adjectival categorization]] with C1 and G7 since {{User|Fayenatic london}} made the point: {{Talk quote inline| some adjectivally-named categories have sub-cats "by nouns"}}. [[User:Lmatt|Lmatt]] ([[User talk:Lmatt|talk]]) 18:19, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

*: Also moved [[:Category:Categories by noun categorization]] to [[:Category:Categories by category]]. [[User:Lmatt|Lmatt]] ([[User talk:Lmatt|talk]]) 18:39, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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=====(Sub-Colloquy on various merge proposals)=====

* '''Comment''' It seems to me that these kinds of categories are considered not useful in general. I disagree with that because what they are doing is providing an overview on the differnet ways of '''categorizations''' itself: categorization by (1) topic, (2) time or (3) space / ___location. Naturally, the by far largest portion will be about categorizations by topic and here we need to make sure to have at least 2 categories: One that lists all the numerous '''topics''' (politics, history, ..) that are getting categorized in various ways and another category which lists several '''parameters''' [X] by which categories are '''getting''' categorized (''' category by X'''). One possible way to achieve that is written by me below. [[User:CreativeName1|CN1]] ([[User talk:CreativeName1|talk]]) 13:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

* '''New merge proposal'''

*: [[:Category:Categories by category]] → [[:Category:Categories by topical categorization]]

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*I acknowledge that some of your new names follow [[:Category:Categories by geographical categorization]] which has been here for 5 years and currently holds categories by culture, language and ___location (aspects of [[human geography]]?). I haven't nominated that one here, because it's worth a separate discussion.

:Part of the trouble with your approach is that by emptying categories and creating new ones, instead of renaming via the CFD process, you are leaving behind the page history of the category (which matters for [[GFDL]]), as well as the talk page and the interwiki links. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 09:28, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

* '''CN1 approach'''

*:I propose seeing this branch of the category system in the following manner:

::: I propose renaming [[:Category:Categories by category]] to [[:Category:Categories by categorization]] and making it the parent category of „…by categorization“ named categories.

::: its subcategories are, for now, the following three:

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::::: Stefanomione isn't blocked. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 00:32, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

:::::: Indeed. Rather, he is under a [[WP:TOPICBAN]] from working on categories. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 08:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

:* '''Comment''' It seems to me that these kinds of categories are considered not useful in general. I disagree with that because what they are doing is providing an overview on the differnet ways of '''categorizations''' itself: categorization by (1) topic, (2) time or (3) space / ___location. Naturally, the by far largest portion will be about categorizations by topic and here we need to make sure to have at least 2 categories: One that lists all the numerous '''topics''' (politics, history, ..) that are getting categorized in various ways and another category which lists several '''parameters''' [X] by which categories are '''getting''' categorized (''' category by X'''). One possible way to achieve that is written by me below. [[User:CreativeName1|CN1]] ([[User talk:CreativeName1|talk]]) 13:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Categorically rejecting a naming syntax or type of categorization solely based on ... whatever reason you personally might have with it, is no good practise. I ask in which way letting the categories well alone and let people naturally further develop them to their liking would be disruptive to the rest of Wikipedia. Let it sit. Give it time. See for example [[:Category:Categories by geographical categorization]] it's 5 years old and is doing rather well. [[User:CreativeName1|CN1]] ([[User talk:CreativeName1|talk]]) 13:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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