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has been deleted? I don't know why!! Please help <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Se5kofta|Se5kofta]] ([[User talk:Se5kofta#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Se5kofta|contribs]]) 02:21, 4 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: {{re|Se5kofta}} As it says there, and also on your talk page, it was deleted due to being advertising or promotion. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 02:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Draft Page improving references ==

An experienced editor told me that my references need to work but wasn't very specific about what needed to be done, so perhaps someone could give me some advice on improving my references.

My draft page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Colin_Grubb <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:FFeldspar|FFeldspar]] ([[User talk:FFeldspar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FFeldspar|contribs]]) 02:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hello, {{U|FFeldspar}}, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:Several things. A good citation should give:

:* the title of the page or article being cited;

:* the name or title of the enclsosing work (web site, magazine, newspaper or journal) except when the work cited has no enclosing work, such as a cite to a book; (This may be wiki-linked if there is an article about the work.)

:*The name of the author when that is known;

:*The date of publication when that is known;

:*The name of the publisher when that is known, except when it is redundant to the name of the work. For example it adds nothing to say that ''The New York Times'' is published by The New York Times Co (as it is);

:*For online sources, the date you accessed and retrived it and verified that it supported the statements in the article.

:*For paginated sources, thre page number(s) of interst.

:The cites in [[Draft:Colin_Grubb]] are missing much of this. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 04:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

:Now let's look at the specific cites in that draft:

:* The first is a Wikiipedia article. Wikipedia articles are never valid sources.

:* The second does not link directly to the text and video, whoch is at https://www.abc.net.au/gardening/factsheets/behind-the-scenes/10815908 and does not indicate where in the video the cite is pointing or if it is in the text.

:* The third again links to a general summary page, or it may be a slide show, not to the actual text supporting the statement.

:* The fourth does not link to a page that gives the actual name(s) of the winner(s) of the award;

:*The fifth links to a general home page for the show or channel, not to a page that shows specifically what shows Grubb directed and when;

:*The sixth links to a general home page, not to an actual list of the members of the board of directors, nor to a page about Grubb showing that he was on the board;

:*The seventh links to a page which does not show that Grubb was the director, in fact does not even mention his name;

:* the eighth links to a page which is just a summary of the film, and does not give any credits or mention Grubb's name at all;

:In addition two sources are just bare URLs with no name given. URLs can change, and without fuller data, can be hard to recover. See [[WP:LINKROT]].

:Does that calrify things a bit, {{U|FFeldspar}}? I hope it does. Do see [[WP:REFB|referencing for Beginners]] for more details on how to do Wikipoedia citations. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 04:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

[[User:DESiegel|DES]] for this - so is it better if i just remove the citations if i cant be specific enough? Gardening Australia still exists and because he used to be a producer there I thought i could just link to their page for reference. Also I didn't think it was a problem to link to another wikipedia page when like referring to Colin's brother? Also I have fixed the seventh and eight links - can you check these are correct now? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:FFeldspar|FFeldspar]] ([[User talk:FFeldspar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FFeldspar|contribs]]) 00:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)</small>

:First of all, {{U|FFeldspar }} a [[WP:PING|ping]] does not work to notify the intended target unles it is [[WP:SIGN|signed]] '''as part of the same edit'' with four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>) or the signature buttone on the editing toolbar. (in any case all talk page and discussion page posts should be signed in this way. It helspe keep tjhings straight.)

:Second, the 7th and 8th cited sources do now go to better locatrions, but they still do not include any title or other publication metadata (title; name of work/website; publisher; publication date if known; author if known; access date). This really should be provided. Indeed in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Colin_Grubb&diff=next&oldid=929183953 this edit] you actully removed the metadata for one source, in the process of correcting the URL. Please don't do that.

:Third, you may [[WP:LINK|link]] to other wikipedia pages, indeed this is encouraged. But you may not '''cite''' them as sources, that is, they may not be in {{tag|ref}} tags.

:Fourth, a reference source must be quite specific, and must include the actual information that it is supporting in the article (or draft). Best is to ind a source page that does include this information. But for a published movie or video, the credits of the work itself are a source, just as the title and copyright page of a published book are, and as long as enough info is given to find and vioew the actual work, including the credits , a cite can be omitted, or given as {{tq|"see credits on {name of video}"}} in the ref tags. But that is very much a second best. It is still better than citing a page that deos not in fac contain the information being supported.

:I hope this is helpful. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 06:13, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Helpful Message ==

Hi I Um, Saw The Donate To Wikipedia Thing, And I Want To But I'm Just A Child So I Cant.

But I Hope That Wikipedia Survives And Keeps Thriving To Give Information,

And I Hope The Person, And The Company That Reads This Has A Fantastic Life. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.4.90.228|96.4.90.228]] ([[User talk:96.4.90.228#top|talk]]) 19:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC)</small>

:No worries, there is no need to donate, and the Wikimedia Foundation has plenty of money as is. Thanks for the kind message :) – '''[[User:Þjarkur|Thjarkur]]''' [[User talk:Þjarkur|(talk)]] 19:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

:There are always other ways to contribute to Wikipedia, though, such as editing articles and adding more information onto them. Perhaps you can donate your knowledge instead. Thank you for the message, and I hope you have a fantastic life as well! :)) [[User:Chlod|Chlod]] ([[User_talk:Chlod|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Chlod|contribs]]) 06:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== David Hobbs ==

Hello, I have created a biography for Mr David Hobbs from this page [[NATO Parliamentary Assembly]] but his name is still red.

The biography is still in the sandbox. How do I link it to the page? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Idjelassi|Idjelassi]] ([[User talk:Idjelassi#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Idjelassi|contribs]]) 09:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: Your sandbox draft is not yet in a state to be published as an article, as it has no [[WP:REFB|references]] to published [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] independent of the subject to demonstrate the subject's [[WP:notability|notability]] in Wikipedia's terms. You ought to read the advice at [[WP:Your first article]]. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 10:00, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== I want to Post My COMPANY's Info ==

Greeting!

I am really a fan of Wikipedia and the authentic, free and quality information it delivers to all across the globe. For my company, I am really keen to discover that is there any way or source, I can put a universal details of my company at Wikipedia? If so, then I am looking forward to the guidance for all people reading this.

Thanks in Advance! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Quickfitautos|Quickfitautos]] ([[User talk:Quickfitautos#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Quickfitautos|contribs]]) 10:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Step One. NEVER spam questions across multiple locations. It really winds people up. I suggest no one answers in this thread and all answers are directed to the thread on the Helpdesk. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 10:40, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Question about discussion closure ==

Hi! I am a Wikipedian for 2 years and [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Requests_for_closure#Talk:ITS_launch_vehicle#Merger_proposal|a closure of a discussion]] is requested on October 2019. However, no uninvolved editor came forth to determine the consensus. On this situation, what should be done? --[[User:Soumya-8974|Soumyabrata]] ([[User talk:Soumya-8974|talk]] • [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Soumya-8974|subpages]]) 14:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

:You could resolve it as '''C''', because proponent B/C won proponent A (and others) for the C case, '''if''' proponent E, who won proponent D for the E case, '''and''' D accept this result (or are not more involved). Clearly A+B+D lost, and for C vs. E somebody would have to check that the arguments for E are not better than the arguments by the C-majority. If D or E object you really need an uninvolved editor willing to read the long discussion. (Teaser for others here, are you interested in SpaceX? I have no clue about the topic.) &ndash;[[Special:Contributions/84.46.52.57|84.46.52.57]] ([[User talk:84.46.52.57|talk]]) 11:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Notability Question on YouTuber ==

So I think the YouTuber SSundee is notable enough to warrant his own Wikipedia article. Before I begin finding sources on him, I wanted to get a few people's feedback on if he is notable or not. He currently has 12.7 million subscribers. I know not every YouTuber is notable, but to me, 12.7 million subscribers is notable. Please let me know what you think below. Thanks in advance.[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 03:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Elijahandskip}}. It is ''impossible'' to assess the notability of a person without looking for significant coverage of the person in reliable, independent sources. The number of subscribers or followers is utterly meaningless without the required coverage in reliable sources. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 03:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:He is, in fact, quite notable, but I don't think he's had much coverage on accurate sources that can accurately describe him. As Cullen said, notability isn't really something that can be assessed easily. If you think he's had enough coverage in the news, then sure, go give it a shot. [[User:Chlod|Chlod]] ([[User_talk:Chlod|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Chlod|contribs]]) 06:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:There's a [[List of YouTubers]], all notable (at least in theory) under the enwiki idea of notability. If you know somebody on this list, you can check their BLP, and if you have similar reliable and independent sources for your over 12M subscribers person, you can start a BLP-stub. &ndash;[[Special:Contributions/84.46.52.57|84.46.52.57]] ([[User talk:84.46.52.57|talk]]) 12:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Finding articles that need proofing for grammar, punctuation and/or style. ==

Hi everyone,

I often stumble upon articles that really need some help with proofing. Typos etc, but also editing by people who may have difficulties with English not being their native or first language.

Is there a list anywhere of such work needing to be done, or perhaps a place where proof-reader contributors can be contacted for help? I am a retired teacher of English with Latin skills as well.

Cheerypips,

Sid.

[[User:Sid the Obscure|Sid the Obscure]] ([[User talk:Sid the Obscure|talk]]) 05:48, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:There is! The list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_needing_copy_edit - [[User:PrimalBlueWolf|PrimalBlueWolf]] ([[User talk:PrimalBlueWolf|talk]]) 06:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::There is also a list of general community help here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal - [[User:PrimalBlueWolf|PrimalBlueWolf]] ([[User talk:PrimalBlueWolf|talk]]) 06:03, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:And there is [[WP:GOCE]], the ''Guild Of Copy Editors'', you can suggest an article for copy editing, typically in preparation of a GA (good article) nomination, but some class=B almost ready for A or similar might be also okay (untested, I only tried the GA preparation twice, and got the GOCE help.) &ndash;[[Special:Contributions/84.46.52.57|84.46.52.57]] ([[User talk:84.46.52.57|talk]]) 12:24, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Mincho Panayotov, аrtist and art teacher biography - reliable sources of information ==

What is considered reliable source of information regarding the wikipedia standarts? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:GYT19701086|GYT19701086]] ([[User talk:GYT19701086#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GYT19701086|contribs]]) 12:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:{{u|GYT19701086}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read about what [[WP:RS|reliable sources are generally]]; in short, a reliable source is any source that has editorial control and a reputation for fact checking. This is often the media, but can also be published books(on or off line). You may also wish to read the [[WP:NARTIST|Wikipedia definition of a notable artist]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:25, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:{{u|GYT19701086}}, I see that [[Draft:Mincho Panayotov, аrtist and art teacher]] was declined for being completely unreferenced (there were other reasons for declining it, but that's the most obvious). Within twenty minutes, you had resubmitted it, without making any attempt to address its problems. It will certainly be declined again if it is reviewed while in its current state. No wonder there's a four-month wait for reviews. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 12:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== draft review ==

Hello fellow wiki's!!! Can someone take a look at this article and give me some feedback? Thanks in advance! [[Draft:Mista Roe ]] [[User:Jonathandtaylor|Jonathandtaylor]] ([[User talk:Jonathandtaylor|talk]]) 03:30, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:Hello again, {{U|Jonathandtaylor}}. My advice hasn't changed much since my post in the section [[#Draft References Help]] above. Lose the interviews, convert the Discography from external links to prose in the article, and find and use one or teo more news storeis about Roe, if at all possible. Did you see and note [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mista_Roe&diff=929067122&oldid=929029534 the recent edits by me and by Davidnot MD]? Others may have other advice, of course. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 05:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

{{U|DESiegel}} you are the best! I did not see the recent edits by you all. I just looked at them and that helps a lot. I will check everything out in detail and make necessary adjustments. Thanks for all your help! [[User:Jonathandtaylor|Jonathandtaylor]] ([[User talk:Jonathandtaylor|talk]]) 13:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== How you use an archive.gov pdf for a source ==

Is there anyway to use https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10125-10133.pdf as a source for an article? --[[User:Texas-Dude1914|Texas-Dude1914]] ([[User talk:Texas-Dude1914|talk]]) 14:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:{{ping|Texas-Dude1914}} technically, sure - it can be cited like any other document. But bear in mind that it is a [[WP:PRIMARY|primary source]] and therefore should be used with caution. We are more interested in what secondary sources have said about this document than what the document itself says, and you certainly should not base an entire article on a primary source. [[User:Hugsyrup|<i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>]]^{[[User_talk:Hugsyrup|syrup]]} 14:28, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Stuck in the sandbox ==

I created an entry for my name. I recently won some awards for a film (noted in national press) and was encouraged to create a Wikipedia entry. I deleted a personal website linked to my name, Elizabeth Coffman, as I read that could be a problem. I do not see any problems or critical comments next to my entry.

How do I get my entry out of the sandbox and published?[[User:Elizabeth Coffman|Elizabeth Coffman]] ([[User talk:Elizabeth Coffman|talk]]) 06:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

: Hi {{u|Elizabeth Coffman}}. I think that before you try to create a [[:WP:ARTICLE|Wikipedia article]] about yourself, that you might want to take a look at [[:Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything]], [[:Wikipedia:Notability (people)]] and [[:Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]]. If after looking at those pages you still feel that a Wikipedia article can be written about you, please then take a look at [[:Wikipedia:Autobiography]], [[:Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Writing about yourself, family, friends]], [[:Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Law of unintended consequences]], [[:Wikipedia:Ownership of content]] and [[:Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]]. Ideally, you should not be the one trying to create an article about you; so, if you're Wikipedia notable and you really want an article written about you, then you can try asking someone to do so at [[:Wikipedia:Requested articles]] or try asking at a [[:WP:WPPJ|WikiProject]] like [[:Wikipedia:WikiProject Women]] to see if you can find someone to write an article about you. Just for reference, your sandbox [[:User:Elizabeth Coffman/sandbox]] is currently not really ready to be upgraded to an article, but someone might be able to build upon what you've started and create an article out of it. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 07:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::Hi {{u|Elizabeth Coffman}}. In addition to everything that Marchjuly posted above, which is spot on and should be read, there's an opportunity to add info about your film to the section [[Flannery O'Connor#Legacy, awards, and tributes]]. You could post an edit request on that article's talk page. See [[Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request]] for info about how to do this. Good luck! [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 07:58, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:::Hello {{u|Elizabeth Coffman}}. While I believe that you likely are a [[WP:BIO|notable person]] by Wikipedia's standards, I must caution you about using your [[WP:REALNAME|real name]] for your Wikipedia username. This is permitted - however, to protect you against the possibility of [[WP:IMPERSONATE|impersonation]], you might be asked to send verification of your identity if an article about you is accepted. Alternatively, you could opt to [[WP:CHUS|change your username]] instead. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 15:16, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== A page a edited was subsequently deleted, wrongly ==

Hello, I edited a biography of a person I know, and then someone deleted her Wiki page, which had been up for a decade without any problems. It was deleted for the reason of not having any references, but it had a lot of references to big newspapers. I feel like this is bullying and when I ask talk to them about it, they are rude in response. How can I quickly restore the page and prevent this in the future? Thank you! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SarahWoodstock|SarahWoodstock]] ([[User talk:SarahWoodstock#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SarahWoodstock|contribs]]) 08:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:{{u|SarahWoodstock}}, as the deleting admin told you, the venue to go to to request restoration of a deleted article is [[WP:DRV]]. In the meantime, please review our conflict of interest policy at [[WP:COI]], as they also asked you to. Having been online for a long time doesn't exempt an article from deletion if any of the deletion criteria apply. It was deleted for serving no other purpose than promoting/advertising the subject. The number of references isn't as important as the quality of them, that's what was challenged, in addition to the promotional nature of the article content itself. <b>[[User:Usedtobecool|<i><span style="color:#b9272b">Usedtobecool</span></i>]]&nbsp;^{<small>[[User talk:Usedtobecool|<span style="color:#080">TALK</span>]]</small>}&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Usedtobecool|✨]]</b> 08:59, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

::Hello, {{u|SarahWoodstock}}. I am an administrator so I could read the deleted article. The article was not deleted wrongly. It failed to provide any evidence whatsoever that this person is notable by Wikipedia's standards. None at all. The article was previously deleted in 2008, so there have been previous problems. If you want to challenge the deletion, please try [[Wikipedia:Deletion review]]. In my honest opinion, you are unlikely to be successful, but you are welcome to try. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 09:06, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

:{{ec}} Hello, {{U|SarahWoodstock}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. The article [[Hilary Rowland ]] was deleted, not for lack of references, but under [[WP:CSD#G11]], as [[WP:SPAM|promotional]] by {{U|Bbb23 }}. An earlier version was deleted back in 2008 after a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hilary Rowland]], which did refer to [[WP:N|notability]] issues and lack of sources, but also to promotionalism.

:I might not have deleted this under G11, but it was far from an ideal article. The ciuted sources in the last version before deletion were:

:*The subject's father's author bio; (not independent)

:*An article "5 Reasons I Love Being a Vegan" in ''Urbanette'' magazeine, written by the subject (not independent)

:*Beauty and the Biz". an articel in ''Faze Teen'' magazine.

:* "Hilary Rowland, Reasons I Love Lyon". from ''This Is Lyon''. Only ne paragraph, and saeems to be by the subject.

:*"My International Life: From NYC to France". from ''Urbanette'' Magazine. Written by the subject.

:Earlier veriosn had more sources, but not much better oine in the last coupel you edited, and i don't see any major news organs or other celalry reliable and impressibve sources.

:This deletion does not prevent starting a new article, preferably as a draft, and making it more clearly [[WP:NPOV|neutral]] and supported by bettre sources, if those exist (I haven't looked). Or you could discuss with the deleting admin, or ask for a [[WP:REFUND]]. But the deletion nwas not "bullying " -- it was quite in accord with Wikipedia policy and procedure, as far as I can see. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 09:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

:::In addition, {{u|SarahWoodstock}}, you have a declared conflict of interest regarding Hilary Rowland. You should defer to the judgment of experienced, uninvolved editors on this matter. It is a well known fact that a conflict of interest can often cloud an editor's judgment. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 09:13, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

::Thank you very much for the feedback and your time! I am still learning and want to do everything correctly. Can I research more, get more (big-name/credible) references, remove the references you mentioned, and re-post? BTW - what is wrong with the Faze magazine reference? It's one of Canada's largest magazines. Also, can a link like 'This is Lyon' be used for proof that she lived in Lyon? It seems to me that there are profiles of notable entrepreneurs and inventors, and that hers fits those same criteria since she created the first online magazine and the first online portfolio website. Thank you! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SarahWoodstock|SarahWoodstock]] ([[User talk:SarahWoodstock#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SarahWoodstock|contribs]]) 13:47, 1 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::Hello again, I created a draft. Can you please check it and give me feedback, then please publish it when you think it's ready? Only an administrator can publish it. Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hilary_Rowland <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SarahWoodstock|SarahWoodstock]] ([[User talk:SarahWoodstock#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SarahWoodstock|contribs]]) 15:20, 1 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:{{u|SarahWoodstock}}, just a couple of style notes First, lose the registered mark symbols. We do not use them. Second, magazine titles are italicized on every usage. [[User:John from Idegon|John from Idegon]] ([[User talk:John from Idegon|talk]]) 22:31, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

::{{u|SarahWoodstock}}, you should check out [[WP:OVERKILL]] - many of your article's sentences have ''way'' too many citations. The first sentence in 'Career' has 8, where one well-placed citation would be more than enough.

::Some of the wording still leans in the promotional direction. For instance, "the first online portfolio site (of any kind), the first online agency, the first time casting was done online, and also the first online community for talent".

::Firstly - you've repeated "the first online portfolio site" twice when this sentence rolls around; there's no need to do this. Once is enough to establish the facts.

::Secondly, these claims read contentuously. When you stick a lot of "firsts" in an article, they should be more specific. "the first online agency" - were they the first agency to be ''online''? Or the first to be a solely internet-based enterprise, with no physical offices that models visited for their agency work?

::You can improve the way these "firsts" are written, but remember, it's ''only'' an improvement if they're ''true.'' Be specific.

::Since this is a [[WP:BLP]], you have to adheer to much more exacting editorial standards, and I'd suggest you have another read through of the manual of style for BLP articles before continuing. You should probably add a date and ___location of birth and an early life section, though if the article's subject hasn't revealed this information publicly, I don't think it's a requirement - use discretion in regard with [[WP:BLPPRIVACY]].

::Lastly - under the 'Awards' section, is receiving a number of accolades that account to little more than 'Hottest CEO' relevant to the article? For a business entrepeneur, I'd say no. Perhaps one sentence would be enough, but it shouldn't be longer than the actual awards she's won for her work as a businesswoman. You say she's won a number of business awards - switch this section round and detail those, and leave the 'Hottest CEO' awards as small "number of" line instead at the bottom of the paragraph.

::This article isn't the worst I've seen, and the prose isn't poorly-written, but it needs work to take it out of conflict-of-interest territory. Please get down to grips with that before submitting your article. --[[User:Ineffablebookkeeper|Ineffablebookkeeper]] ([[User talk:Ineffablebookkeeper|talk]]) 13:17, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:::OP has been blocked for promotion/advertising. I also suspect there was undisclosed paid editing. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 16:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Re-doing on Question of Notability of YouTuber ==

Scroll up for extra information, but I have found 6 sources (More probably, just a quick search found 6 reliable sources) for the YouTuber Ssundee. With 12.7 million subscribers and sources about him/his channel, would that make him notable? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ssundee_(Youtuber) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Elijahandskip|contribs]]) 16:17, 4 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:{{ping|Elijahandskip}} First off, you can reply under the original section rather than creating a new one. But the short answer to your question is 'no'. Social Blade and Statsheep track YouTube stats but they do nothing to establish notability because YouTube stats do not equal notability; Wikitubia is not a reliable source because it is [[WP:UGC|user-generated content]]; the same goes for teamcrafted.fandom and UrbanDictionary. Please read [[WP:RS|our policy on reliable sources]] carefully. You would need to find coverage of this individual in reliable, independent sources such as newspapers, journals, or published books. [[User:Hugsyrup|<i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>]]^{[[User_talk:Hugsyrup|syrup]]} 16:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::I would add that the reason subscriber numbers are not an automatic indication of notability is that they are easily gamed; it is not difficult for someone to make more than one account in order to subscribe to a certain 'YouTuber' and boost their numbers. Donald Trump Jr. just had the Republican National Committee spend money to buy his book to get it on the best seller list, for example.[https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1197599033503756288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1197608420049850374&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdisqus.com%2Fembed%2Fcomments%2F%3Fbase%3Ddefault%26f%3Dpoliticalwire%26t_i%3D1175687%2520https%253A%252F%252Fpoliticalwire.com%252F%253Fp%253D1175687%26t_u%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fpoliticalwire.com%252F2019%252F11%252F21%252Fdomestic-political-errand%252F%26t_e%3D%25E2%2580%2598Domestic%2520Political%2520Errand%25E2%2580%2599%26t_d%3D%25E2%2580%2598Domestic%2520Political%2520Errand%25E2%2580%2599%26t_t%3D%25E2%2580%2598Domestic%2520Political%2520Errand%25E2%2580%2599%26s_o%3Ddefault%23version%3Db01df3a75e0d62888faea7d1827ec12d] [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:::{{edit conflict}} Having 100, 12.7 million or 1 billion subscribers does not, in itself, make someone notable. You might as well forget about using that statistic as a benchmark of notability.

:::Repeating what {{u|Hugsyrup}} said, the first three sources you list are just statistics on this person's YouTube channel. They do not discuss the person behind the channel in any meaningful way.

:::The last three sources you list are [[WP:SPS|self-published sources]], where the content is [[WP:USERG|generated by the sites' users]]. This disqualifies them from being [[WP:RS|reliable]]. Blogs, wikis, social media or any site that consists of user-generated content won't count as a reliable source.

:::Therefore, the sources you have do not establish this person as notable. You need to find significant coverage in multiple reliable sources (e.g. mainstream media) to do that. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 16:40, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== how to prevent / reserve some pages for some time from editing by other users ==

Hi,

I along with NGOs volunteers want to put [[Bangalore]] lakes precise details in Wikipedia. So far, we can see that very few lakes in Bangalore were having dedicated pages. Whatever exist are not in good shape and needs to be fixed with better contents and citation.

We have some 30 pages to work upon and in between we wish that no other users should edit those pages.

So, my question is - whether preventing those pages from editing by other users is allowed / possible in Wikipedia or not?[[User:Bharat1|Bharat1]] ([[User talk:Bharat1|talk]]) 18:40, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:{{u|Bharat1}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles are not protected from editing merely to prevent other editors from editing them, as this encyclopedia is editable by anyone. There must be a specific reason like intractable vandalism or edit warring in order to protect a page from editing. If you want to attempt to prevent others from editing the article while you have edits in progress, you can add <nowiki>{{In use|time=~~~~~}}</nowiki> to the top of the article(as seen when viewing this page, not in the edit window for this page). If you want to draft a new article, you can do so in your personal sandbox([[User:Bharat1/sandbox]]) and that should reduce the chances that others will edit it. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::Avoid posting as "we." Each registered account is supposed to be to an individual. If a group of people are interested in a topic(s), then each can register an account. As 331dot stated, once an article is created, anyone can edit it. If you want to work in private, then in personal sandbox. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:::{{U|Bharat1}} note that even in a persoinal sandbox, other users may and sometiems will edit, although they normally will not do so without good reason. But no one [[WP:OWN|owns or controils]] any page on Wikipedia at all. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 19:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:::However, one can place {{tl|Under construction}} to '''request''' other users, on a temporary basis, not to edit a page, and such requests are usually honored if the time involved is not too long. Follow the link for more details on how to use this template. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 19:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Can a redirect direction change? ==

On the topic of the term makerspaces & hackerspaces. These days, though apparently there is a debate if they are differing things, the term makerspace is much more widely utilized and this can be even be seen as viewed by google trends keyword 'makerspace' compared to 'hackerspace'. Here on Wikipedia the term makerspace redirects to the page hackerspace wherein the terminology is conflated between the two.

Is it possible to have hackerspace redirect to makerspace and the content of hackerspace moved there, or to split the two and remove the redirect completely (although some of the information would then become redundant though would need to be replicated)?

Thanks! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TribeEng|TribeEng]] ([[User talk:TribeEng#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TribeEng|contribs]]) 22:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hello, {{U|TribeEng}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, either of those is possible. In general a redirect can always be changed to point to any relevant article, or be converted into an article. However, it is usually best to obtain consensus of intersted editors by posting on the existing article talk page, and inviting discussion of the proposal. People may have different ideas, or perhaps no one else will care. [[WP:RM|Requested moves]] describes the procedue in soem detail. To move over an existing redirect may require an Admin, the RM page tells how to list a request for such assistance, once consensus is clear. See also [[WP:SPLIT]]. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 22:26, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Getting an article to be semi-locked. ==

I have began a news article which is notable and a hot topic in American News. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_Lawsuit_2019 I would like to get it semi-locked before edits fly in. How do I request that.

[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 19:49, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:{{u|Elijahandskip}}, Won't happen without good reason. See [[WP:PP]] [[User:Moonythedwarf|MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.)]] ([[User talk:Moonythedwarf|talk]]) 19:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:{{ec}}{{ping|Elijahandskip}} Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia anyone can edit, so locking an article simply because you think lots of people will want to edit is rather counter to how we do things. Lots of people editing an article is usually a good thing as it often means it rapidly improves. And remember you do [[WP:OWN|not own]] an article just because you created it. ''If'' and only if the article is subject to persistent vandalism, you can request to have protection applied. [[User:Hugsyrup|<i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>]]^{[[User_talk:Hugsyrup|syrup]]} 19:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:Understood. I wasn’t thinking like an editor and I had the mindset of owning the article. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 19:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::Too late! I have already edited the (very, very, vey) short article. I expect others will contribute, and the article will be improved thereby. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:14, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:::P.S. I suggest you change the name to Nunes lawsuit. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:17, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::::It has been moved to [[CNN v. Nunes]]. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 20:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::::: Is that in accordance with the naming convention for lawsuits in the USA? In the UK they are named as plaintiff v defendant. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 21:23, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::::::The US convention is not rigid, but Plaintiff vs Defendant is the usual naming convention. This is probably backwards, and none of the sources I have read give this style of name, nor have I seen a trrascriptt of the actual suit yet. But this probably belongs on the articel talk page. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 21:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::::::: Moved to ''[[Nunes v. CNN]]'' (plaintiff v. defendant is standard and logical, though there are likely some exceptions (IANAL)). <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 22:42, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Changing a joint biography about two brothers into two independent biographies ==

My grandfather is in a joint biography with his brother.

Is there a way I can give my grandfather an independent biography? Obviously it would involve removing his name from the title of the existing article--can that be done? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:1480:89FD:110A:5D60:69CD:16D3|2604:2000:1480:89FD:110A:5D60:69CD:16D3]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:1480:89FD:110A:5D60:69CD:16D3#top|talk]]) 22:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It would be easier to help you if you told which article you were talking about. What you ask is certainly possible, depending on the situation. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Stub vs draft article ==

Kia ora Wiki editors,

I am committed to improving coverage in Wikipedia in specific subject areas. I have a lot of resource to hand of legitimate sources (ie. piles of books), and some time on my hands. I am very new to editing for Wikipedia. I have been adding citations to other articles, but I am now ready to be creating new articles.

What are the advantages and disadvantage of creating an article or a stub? I have one article in my sandbox, but it is not ready to go yet - can I have more sandboxes? I think maybe I can create draft articles but this is a bit hazy about how to actually do this. I have connected with my regions Wikipedia groups and had a couple of face to face sessions which have been great, but not formed quite enough relationship to bug them with my questions.

Do people recommend new editors creating stubs or spending longer and getting articles together? The definition of a stub does seem a little hazy.

When do I decide it isn't a draft anymore? Could I invite specific editors to give feedback on a draft (and how do I do that? how do I use a talk page!?) or is it just fine to throw it open like I have with a recent article.

Many thanks,

[[User:Pakoire|Pakoire]] ([[User talk:Pakoire|talk]]) 21:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:Hello, {{U|Pakoire}} and welcome to the Teahouse. You may create as many user space drafts, or pages in draft space, as you please. For example, a draft about "NewTopic" could be at [[User:Pakoire/NewTopic]] or at [[Draft:NewTopic]]. You can create such pages by searchign for the exact page name, and when the Wikipedi search engine does not find the page, it will provide a link which you may use to create the page. Personally I would advise agaisnt creating stubs if the sourced information at hand permits crearting a full article. I would also advise agaiusnt creating new articles directly in article space even stubs. Use a user page or a draft page to get the basics doen and sourced first, then [[WP:MOVE|move]] the draft into mainspace. You can use the [[WP:AFC|Articles for creation]] procss to get an experinced editor's review first, but that does involve a wait. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|^(talk)]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|_{DESiegel Contribs}]] 21:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:: {{Re|Pakoire}} I'll add that, in addition to searching for the exact title you think should be used, please take some time to search for other articles that may already exist about your subject. Often, people will go through the trouble of creating a whole new article when the subject is already covered in an article with a different title. This happens a lot with articles about people, especially when their names are not originally "English" (i.e., because of different transliterations) or they are known by "stage names" or other pseudonyms. Thanks! <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 23:04, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Donations ==

I used wikipedia on on my phone earlier today and was asked to donate. I made a donation and even set up a monthly donation but now using wikipedia on my laptop and being hassled about donations again. I know it's probably because I don't have an account with wikipedia but that's my choice not to have an account. Anyway you can help! <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/109.151.238.181|109.151.238.181]] ([[User talk:109.151.238.181#top|talk]]) 23:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hi and welcome to Wikipedia - and thanks for donating. I don't believe there's anything you can do to stop those banners when you log in as an IP. Once you create an account, the donation banner doesn't come up, and you can opt out of other banners. [[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] ^{[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]} 23:12, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

: (ec) Hello. While I don't have a suggestion for you (other than [[WP:REGISTER|registering an account]], which is usually quick and simple), while waiting for someone to offer another solution, I just wanted to thank you for your donations. {{Smiley}} <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 23:17, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::It is certainly your choice to have an account or not- but if you decide to not have one, you will need to accept what comes with that decision. If you have an account, you can turn off the banners- along with other advantages. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::: I'd like to join others in thanking you for your donation. Wikipedia is a wonderful thing and it relies on generous people like you to exist. If the requests keep showing up, take it as an opportunity to bask in the glow of thinking "I already have done; you're welcome." You certainly don't have to make an account here if you don't want to. If you do, we'll be delighted to have you, and if you don't we're grateful anyway. &rsaquo;&nbsp;[[User:Mortee|<span style="color: purple;">Mortee</span>]] [[User talk:Mortee|_talk]] 23:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== IP block page error ==

The content of the IP block page for an organization I'm a part of is incorrect. It renders the article title name instead of the viewer's IP address. I don't want to publicly disclose what this organization is, nor can I find a channel to report this kind of issue. Is there a way I can privately go in depth about the issue?

Thanks,

Violet

[[User:VioletWTF|VioletWTF]] ([[User talk:VioletWTF|talk]]) 06:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

: Hi {{u|VioletWTF}}. Please refer to [[:Wikipedia:Oversight]] since this seems like something that an Oversighter should be able to help you with. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 06:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::{{ping|VioletWTF}}

<pre>

Dear Violet,

Our "Oversight team" received your ticket, however you used an invalid reply address so we could not reply.

To request an unblock privately you may use the UTRS system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unblock_Ticket_Request_System

Go to that page and click on "Submit an unblock request". UTRS uses PGP on SSL encrypted pages, and requires ticket responders to authenticate.

Sincerely,

Xaosflux

The English Wikipedia Oversight team

</pre>

::Direct link: [[Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System]] — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 12:42, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Xaosflux}} Hey. Sorry if I was unclear, my intent is to **change the text of a block page**, as in the page that shows up when my organization attempts to edit a wiki. The block is correct. The page itself has an error. I can be securely reached at vi [at] violet.wtf using PGP key DE07E177FF03BBA9E54749E6D808BF76BCD9221A. My PGP key is also available in whole at https://keybase.io/violet_wtf. Cheers, [[User:VioletWTF|VioletWTF]] ([[User talk:VioletWTF|talk]]) 23:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

::::{{re|VioletWTF}} I will email you. My PGP information is here at: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Xaosflux/PGP&action=edit User:Xaosflux/PHP]. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 23:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

== Hi ==

how do you become a template editor? [[User:Gumshoe97|Gumshoe97]] ([[User talk:Gumshoe97|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 00:10, 5 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: Hi {{u|Gumshoe97}}. You can find out some more information about this at [[:Wikipedia:Template editor]], but I think that this might be one of the harder [[:WP:UAL|user rights]] to get because templates which are protected, in general, tend to be used in lots of ways on Wikipedia so that editing them needs to be done with great care because even a minor change might impact many pages in some unforeseen ways. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

== Hi again ==

I was also wondering, how do you change the "(talk)" button near your username after your posts, to something fun, or creative? [[User:Gumshoe97|Gumshoe97]] ([[User talk:Gumshoe97|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 00:13, 5 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: Please take a look at [[:Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature]] for more information. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

:: {{Re|Gumshoe97}} Please do read the whole thing, especially the [[Wikipedia:Signatures#Guidelines and policies]]. Thanks! <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]]([[User talk:AlanM1#top|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 00:50, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

== Hi again ==

Another quick question, how can I change my username?--[[User:Gumshoe97|Gumshoe97]] ([[User talk:Gumshoe97|talk]]) 00:47, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

: {{re|Gumshoe97}} See [[WP:UNC]], there is a link there to request a change. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 00:55, 5 December 2019 (UTC)