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===Feedback===

'''Fuzheado: '''Okay, well we're going to whip through our two very brief feedback stories here. We had someooneesomeone who emaileedemailed us who likeedliked our ttalk about the universal wikimarkup, and says:

:"We are working on WikiCreole, a wikimarkup not to replace exisiting wikimarkup, but as an additional way for new visitors to edit a new wiki without having to learn that wiki-engine's native markup."

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So it's a kind of universal wikilanguage, and he invites people to visit [http://www.wikicreole.org www.wikicreole.org].

'''Kelly Martin: '''Yeah, this came in from Chuck Smith, who is one of the panel.. one of the members of the Wikicreole project, which is also being done by Christopher[http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/ChristophSauer SauerChristoph (?)Sauer], Jana[http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/JanneJalkanen JalcannonJana (?)Jalkanen] - I apologise if I've bastardised your name -

'''Fuzheado: '''-and [[Ward Cunningham]]-

'''Kelly Martin: '''-a name which we should all be familiar with, who came up with the whole wiki concept. The whole pattern repository that Ward Cunningham in the original Wiki, is full of neat stuff that people really need to read because, I mean, there's a lot of good stuff in there and in [[MeatballWiki | Meatball]], which is all dedicated... Meatball is totally dedicated to what we'd called meta-stuff, stuff about the whole community editing process, and there's a lot of really good stuff. And I find myself a lot of times at wits end with the Wikipedia community, and then I go read something at meatballMeatball that's says.. "oh! That explains why so-and-so did that! Now I understand, and I know how to approach them."

'''Fuzheado: '''Yeah, for all those folks out there, Meatball is like... I think it was the second ever wiki that was created. Maybe one of these shows we should get [http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?SunirShah Sunir Shaw (?)Shah], who is the creator of Meatball, on, and he'd be a fascinating guy to talk to on the podcast.

'''1ne: '''What I was going to say was, I kind of regard Meatball as, like, the Old Testament of the wiki. I know that's just me, but that's how I feel.

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'''1ne: '''Exactly!

'''Tawker: '''Super-super-super quick plug based on feedback from Brion. A few podcasts ago you were talking about Wikipedia and MediaWiki tutorials: he's actually done a thirteen-part video series on editing MediaWiki. Unlike some one of the videos earlier, he does not just the basics, but - I should say, actually, unlike the videos that cover just the mechanics of using MediaWikMediaWiki not the social conventions of Wikipedia. The series runs about 80 minutes long because of some of the non-obvious stuff, like rules or - I should say - page-names and namespaces...

'''1ne: '''Does he explain WikiDrama and all that?

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'''Fuzheado: '''So that's an interesting phenomenon.

'''Kelly Martin: '''The Google ad engine, in order to target advertisements to a page, has to load the page to examine it - to look for whatever the engine looks for - and since Wikimedia blocks all of Google's ad engines from fetching pages and Google is a nice, is a good Internet citizen and it respects robots..txt files, they can't actually index the page and so they can't target the ads. There's no good reason why we would allow - from the Wikimedia Foundation's point of view - why would allow the ad agent to come in there, because Wikimedia's not putting the ads on the page. And by not allowing them to look at the the pages, it reduces the loads on the server, so it's just.. there's no reason why the Foundation would gain anything from doing this.

So it's.. Calacanis is going to have to make an argument to - basically, Brion - why Brion is should allow this, and I don't see Brion as having any vested interest in doing this, it's not like Wikimedia need more traffic coming to their site. And...