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:::{{u|Awesome Aasim}}, I personally have not yet encountered a case where pure "all caps" had been the main problem to explain to a user. If I had, I would probably have written a short custom message for the unique case.

:::I'd guess that users who write in "all caps" are more likely causing more significant disruption in other ways too. If not, it could even be possible to completely ignore the way their messages are written, and respond to their (likely incorrect) arguments instead. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 02:34, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

== Proposed rewording of uw-vblock ==

{{tl|uw-vblock}} currently reads "You have been blocked temporarily from editing for persistent vandalism." As blocks are [[WP:BLOCK|preventative not punitive]], I propose this should be changed to "You have been blocked temporarily to prevent further vandalism." Any thoughts? — <span style="font-size:75%;">[[User:Voice of Clam|O Still Small]]</span> [[User talk:Voice of Clam|Voice of Clam]] 15:09, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

:Sounds good, but as this gets used on dynamic IPs, an acknowledgement that the person reading it may not have vandalized anything might be good (can the template detect if it is on a registered-editor talkpage or an IP one?). People get mad when unfairly accused of bad behaviour, but will probably understand being bycatch in a technical measure to prevent vandalism. Also, they may know the other people using their dynamic IP, and so this may exert social pressure against vandals ("Great, some jerk has been vandalizing Wikipedia again and now I can't fix this typo."). [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 00:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

::{{u|HLHJ}}: The template already reads "Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked" when only anonymous editors from an IP address are blocked. In this regard, there is no need for a change.

:{{u|Voice of Clam}}, I had the same thought, and it applies to all the blocking templates. "For" could be replaced by "to prevent further" in almost all cases, and when I manually personalize a block template, I often do change this wording too. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 16:10, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

::I've updated {{tl|uw-vblock}} - I haven't looked at the wording of others, but I may do so in the next few days. — <span style="font-size:75%;">[[User:Voice of Clam|O Still Small]]</span> [[User talk:Voice of Clam|Voice of Clam]] 17:17, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

:::{{u|Voice of Clam}}, thanks, it looks wonderful. I just noticed the change positively. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 18:23, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

::::Looks good to me. If used on an IP, with a null reason=, it says: "Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked from editing for a period of Duration to prevent further vandalism, as done at Targeted page. In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked." The bit about "your" talk page seems a bit odd; "this block includes user talk pages such as this one"? Thanks, BTW, [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]], I'd missed that. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 01:21, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

:::::No problem. Regarding talk page access revocation, this is not about the whole user talk namespace. When a user is blocked, they can still edit their own talk page, and no others. This access should usually only be used to create an unblock request, or to ask the blocking administrator for clarification. Administrators rarely revoke this last method of on-Wikipedia appeal, unless it has been misused. Revoking a user's talk page access is an action done {{em|after}} blocking almost all cases. The template's ''"In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked"'' variant is, due to the existence of {{tl|uw-tparevoked}}, only needed in extremely rare cases where talk page access is revoked immediately at the time of the original block.

:::::This does not make the proposed text unsuitable, but the reason for proposing a change might have been a misinterpretation. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 02:25, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

::::::Oh right, that's fine then; in context of appeal procedures, it makes sense to focus on the IP's talk page. Sorry, I know nothing about blocking, and overlooked that parameter. Apologies for twice wasting your time, [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]], and thank you for your patience. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 02:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

:::::::No worries, {{u|HLHJ}}, no worries. Not wasted; spent practising a foreign language and spreading knowledge. That's what Wikipedia is about, after all. [[File:Face-smile.svg|18px|link=|alt=🙂]] [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 02:39, 12 January 2020 (UTC)