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:{{ping|Serial Number 54129}} The Internet Archive has the 1991 edition of the book to borrow [https://archive.org/details/kingedwardviii00zieg here]. I don't know if that is the edition you want. —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 15:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

::Cheers {{u|Bruce1ee}}, I appreciate it! Bizarre, I checked the IA before coming here. Ah well, thanks for the help, as usual! [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:green">'''''S'''erial''</span>]][[Special:contributions/Serial Number 54129|^{<span style="color:red;"> '''#'''</span>}]] 15:51, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

== Sulphur Crisis (pt. 2 or 3?) ==

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* Davis, J. (1982). "Palmerston and the Sicilian Sulphur Crisis of 1840: An Episode in the Imperialism of Free Trade". ''Risorgimento'' '''1''' (2): 5–24.

*<s>{{cite book|last1=Ferrara|first1=Vincenzo|title=Essays on the History of Mechanical Engineering|year=2016|isbn=978-3-319-22679-8|series=History of Mechanism and Machine Science|volume=31|pages=111–130|chapter=The Sulphur Mining Industry in Sicily|doi=10.1007/978-3-319-22680-4_8}}</s>

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For [[Sulphur Crisis of 1840]]

Thanks, [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''^{[[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]}'' </small> 02:31, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|Eddie891}} I got the second one, email me. [[User:Khruner|Khruner]] ([[User talk:Khruner|talk]]) 16:13, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

::{{sent}} [[User:Khruner|Khruner]] ([[User talk:Khruner|talk]]) 17:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

:::{{u|Khruner}}, Thanks, received [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''^{[[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]}'' </small> 19:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

== Tiger Sarll at Ancestry.com ==

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* {{cite journal |title=Thomas William H Sarll |work=England and Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916–2007 |url=https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/7579/ons_d19773az-0907?pid=46755639&treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fpg18&_phstart=successSource |publisher=[[General Register Office]] |url-access=subscription |via=Ancestry.com }}

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For [[Draft:Captain Tiger Sarll]]

Does someone have access to this death <del>regard</del> <ins>record</ins> for the subject at Ancestry.com? (Please ping me in your response.) Thanks! <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 06:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|AlanM1}} Just a heads-up, [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources]] has labelled Ancestry.com "generally unreliable" as it uses primary source documents (as opposed to reliable, independent, 3rd party sources) and user-generated content. —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 08:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|AlanM1|Bruce1ee}} Primary sources are useful and reliable if they're used properly (a scanned death record, if used for nothing more than to give the date of death and other basic info, certainly falls into this - and in many cases it could be the most reliable source). Alternatively if you can't find a death record, a [[Frederic William Hill|gravestone (if you know where the subject is buried, such as in this case)]] can also be an option. Cheers, [[User:RandomCanadian|RandomCanadian]] ([[User talk:RandomCanadian|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/RandomCanadian|contribs]]) 15:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

:::{{ping|RandomCanadian}} You're right, primary sources can be useful. I'm just quoting what [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources|Perennial sources]] has to say about Ancestry.com, because article reviewers sometimes use that page to assess the reliability of sources. —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 16:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Bruce1ee}} I'm aware of RSP; I in fact just recently quoted the very same entry [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:William_L._Armstrong&diff=prev&oldid=960713237&diffmode=source in response to an edit request] :) Cheers, [[User:RandomCanadian|RandomCanadian]] ([[User talk:RandomCanadian|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/RandomCanadian|contribs]]) 17:00, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

{{Od}}{{Re|Bruce1ee|RandomCanadian}} Just to clarify, what I'm after is a public record, a primary source usable as the only available source for the subject's date of death (after some searching, though I am surprised at that, given his life). Ancestry is simply the repository in this case. Is there another source for this particular database? <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 17:11, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|AlanM1}} To be clear, the requested source (and all that Ancestry.com has) is only an index. It is not an actual death certificate, and does not contain a date of death. Registration took place at local civil registrars who in turn reported to the General Register Office (GRO) in London. I assume that there could be some delay between local and national registration. There may also have been some delay between death and local registration. Finally, note that the district listed is where the death was registered, which is not necessarily where the death occurred. Keeping all that in mind, the ''England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007'', published by the General Register Office, records that his death was registered in the third quarter (July-August-September) of 1977. Email me if you would like a scan of the index page. You can use the information from the index to order a copy of the death certificate from the GRO. --[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 14:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

:: {{Re|Worldbruce}} I think we can reasonably state, then, a year of death of 1977 with the cite at the top. As long as you've seen it (and I've seen the teaser it gave me in the search), that seems sufficient. It seems that others have expressed issues with uploading of source docs to Commons because of the potential of them being doctored, so I think we're OK without opening that bag of worms. {{Smiley}} Thanks. <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 14:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

::: {{Re|Worldbruce}} Can we at least say the death occurred in the UK, or do UK citizen deaths anywhere in the world come back to the GRO to be registered? <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 14:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

::::{{reply-to|AlanM1}} ''You'' can do what you like with the source. ''I'' wouldn't state more than that his death was recorded at the General Register Office in the third quarter of 1977, per [[WP:PRIMARYCARE]]. My caveats above are drawn from what Ancestry.com says about the source. I'm not knowledgeable enough about UK death recording or Sarll to intelligently debate what Wikipedia can reasonably say. Any discussion of that should take place on the draft's talk page. Please mark this thread {{tl|resolved}} so that the bot will archive it, if you've received what narrow assistance the Resource Exchange can provide. --[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 15:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|AlanM1|Worldbruce}} I can confirm his death-date for you from another Ancestry-hosted source - the [https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1904/46452_B294160-00119?pid=25911414 index to the National Probate Calendar] has "SARLL, Thomas William Henry of The Oasis, Caidge Row, Bradwell-on-Sea, Essex, died 8 July 1977." The probate index does not give place of death at this point so that point can't be confirmed, but at least you have a date. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|talk]]) 16:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

:: {{Re|Andrew Gray|Worldbruce}} Excellent! Even better, this led me to look at the National Archives site, which led me to [https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=SARLL&yearOfDeath=1977&page=1&isCalendarSearch=True#calendar this] free source, which I've used. Thanks again all. {{tl|Resolved}} <span style="color:red">—[</span>[[User:AlanM1|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:green">Alan</span><span style="color:blue">M</span><span style="color:purple">1</span>]] ([[User talk:AlanM1|talk]])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 20:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

== Encyclopaedia of Islam, THREE ==

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* {{Cite encyclopedia|year=2009|title=Abū Ḥafṣ ʿUmar al-Hintātī|encyclopedia=[[Encyclopaedia of Islam]]|publisher=[[Brill Publishers]]|url=https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-3/abu-hafs-umar-al-hintati-COM_22613|date=|origyear=|publication-place=Leiden, Netherlands|edition=3rd|volume=|pages=|isbn=9789004178533|last=Fromherz|first= Allen J.|editor1-last=Fleet|editor1-first=Kate|editor2-last=Krämer|editor2-first=Gudrun|editor3-last=Matringe|editor3-first=Denis|editor4-last=Nawas|editor4-first=John|editor5-last=Rowson|editor5-first=Everett}}

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For a future project on Abu Hafs. I already created an article on his tribe, [[Hintata]].

Thanks, [[User:TheseusHeLl|TheseusHeLl]] ([[User talk:TheseusHeLl|talk]]) 06:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

:[[User:TheseusHeLl|TheseusHeLl]], sent. —&nbsp;[[User:Pajz|Pajz]] ([[User talk:Pajz|talk]]) 10:03, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

::{{re|Pajz}} Thank you! -[[User:TheseusHeLl|TheseusHeLl]] ([[User talk:TheseusHeLl|talk]]) 23:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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== Union of Bulgaria and Romania ==

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*{{cite journal|url=https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=266056|title=Ideas of federation and personal union with regard to Bulgaria and Romania|first=Blagovest|last=Nyagulov|journal=Bulgarian Historical Review|issue=3–4|pp=36–61|year=2012|issn=0204-8906|oclc=8544123951}}

*{{cite journal|url=https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=594041|title=The correct price of Bulgarian communism: Romania as an external propaganda instrument (1947)|first=Florin|last=Anghel|journal=Historical Yearbook|issue=16|pp=57–73|year=2017}}

*{{cite journal|url=https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=773202|title=Развитието на румъно-българския антагонизъм 1878–1916 г|trans-title=The development of the Romanian-Bulgarian antagonism 1878–1916|first=Vladimir|last=Zlatarski|journal=Исторически преглед|volume=74|issue=7|pp=114–150|year=2018|language=bg|issn=03239748}}

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For [[Union of Bulgaria and Romania]] (to be created, name might change). The paper I need the most would be the first one. [https://vufind.lib.cas.cz/KNAV/EdsRecord/edb,137087971 This link] might be useful for the third paper. Thanks. [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#0099FF;">Super</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#800080;">Ψ</span>]] [[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#E60026;">Dro</span>]] 20:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

:[[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|Super Dromaeosaurus]], sent. —&nbsp;[[User:Pajz|Pajz]] ([[User talk:Pajz|talk]]) 21:31, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

::Wow, thanks! [[User:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#0099FF;">Super</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#800080;">Ψ</span>]] [[User talk:Super Dromaeosaurus|<span style="color:#E60026;">Dro</span>]] 21:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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== Horsham iron pits ==

Worssam, [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0016787872800233 "Iron ore workings near Horsham, Sussex, and the sedimentology of Wealden clay ironstone"], ''Proceedings of the Geologists' Association'', vol. 83, iss. 1, pp. 37-55, 1972.

For [[Upper Rapeland Wood]]

Thanks, [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 02:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|Spinningspark}}, I have access to this one, if you e-mail me I can send a pdf [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''^{[[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]}'' </small> 02:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

:: Thanks, email sent. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 02:26, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

:::{{u|Spinningspark}}, {{sent}} [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''^{[[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]}'' </small> 02:28, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

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== More urology requests ==

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* {{cite journal |last1=Josef Marx |first1=Franz |last2=Karenberg |first2=Axel |title=History of the Term Prostate |journal=The Prostate |date=1 February 2009 |volume=69 |issue=2 |pages=208–213 |doi=10.1002/pros.20871}}

* {{cite journal |last1=Ghabili |first1=Kamyar |last2=Tosoian |first2=Jeffrey J. |last3=Schaeffer |first3=Edward M. |last4=Pavlovich |first4=Christian P. |last5=Golzari |first5=Samad E.J. |last6=Khajir |first6=Ghazal |last7=Andreas |first7=Darian |last8=Benzon |first8=Benjamin |last9=Vuica-Ross |first9=Milena |last10=Ross |first10=Ashley E. |title=The History of Prostate Cancer From Antiquity: Review of Paleopathological Studies |journal=Urology |date=November 2016 |volume=97 |pages=8–12 |doi=10.1016/j.urology.2016.08.032}}

*{{cite journal |last1=Marx |first1=Franz Josef |last2=Karenberg |first2=Axel |title=Uro-words making history: Ureter and urethra |journal=The Prostate |date=2010 |pages=n/a–n/a |doi=10.1002/pros.21129}}

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For [[Prostate]], [[urethra]], and [[ureter]] and maybe others.

Thanks again, [[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 06:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Tom (LT)}} {{sent}} all three (from ScienceDirect and Wiley Online Library). —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 06:45, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

::You are quick!! Thanks again. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 07:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

:{{tl|resolved|—[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 08:04, 6 June 2020 (UTC)}}