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::::: Dudes and dudettes, calm down puuuhleeeeaze. Now to Mr. Hamada, there are several definitions of the word "Arab" Egyptians fit the ethnolinguistic definition, not the ethno-racial one. You can't simply ignore a rich pool of commonalities with people in the Middle East and North Africa. It is a fact that we find their sensibilities easier to understand, their music easier to appreciate, and their jokes more accessible. This is a common sub-stratum of culture that you can't simply ignore in a moment of post-9/11 anti-Arabism. Mr. LeCaire, if you ask a fellah who he is he will say fellah, and unless he watched too much TV in Nasser's era he will never ever identify as an Arab. In fact before Nasser nobody in Egypt identified as Arab. Even today, most Egyptians mean "these people" when they say "Arab". In many Egyptian cities you will find areas called "el-Arab" and that's where the true Arabs, the bedwins, who seldom intermarried with Egyptians lived and in some cases still live. As to the genetic evidence talked about above, it is true. Egyptian DNA barely changed since the late Dynastic era. Egyptians are far removed from Arabs and Shawam, closest to Tunisians, Algerians, Ethiopians, and Greeks. But genetics have no meaning. So you see guys, that's what I mean by a balanced approach, realize the realities of the way Egyptians identify themselves, take a long step back, look at the similarities between Egyptians and the rest of the Arab world (as well as peculiarities) and you will realize we are Egyptians first but then we are also Arabs whether you and the we-are-Phoenecians-Lebanese like it or not.[[User:karkaron|karkaron]]
:::: ok i agree about most what i said except that the Egyptian DNA barely changed since the late dynastic era and that the Arabs seldom married the Egyptians , analysis and tests in the Nile Delta showed that about 52 % of the tested population have Haplotype V which is a characteristic Arab haplotype , and in some places such as al sharkiyya the percentage is even much higher. in all Egypt (Delta , Saeed , Nubia) it was found in 40% of the tested men , also in the Nile Delta Haplotypes VIII, VII, and XV which is characteristic of Greeks & Romans was found in about 20% of the tested population , so clearly you can see the the Egyptians are SO MUCH mixed with other populations : Arabs , Greeks , Romans , Nubians , Berbers , Turks. my point of view in the whole conversation that since we are so much mixed let our culture desiced who are we , Arabs & Muslims or Pharoahs ?? and if you say any fellah wont tell you he is an Arab , ok , then ask him if he is a Pharoah or an Arab Muslim and which identity he will choose.[[User:LeCaire]]
== jew as ethnic egyptians? ==
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