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::::Sounds good! I'll do what I can to simplify the template in the meantime (like [[#Small]]) which should make it a bit easier for you — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
This is now {{done}} — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
== Small ==
It's a long time since I found any project using the small format for WikiProject banners. Would it be safe to turn this feature off? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:52, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
:I have found a few in the last year or so. It's not really a per-project thing, but used as an alternative to WPBS when a talk page has several notices and a long TOC. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] 🌹 ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
::<s>We used to have a tracking category for this, but I couldn't find it ...</s> — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
::Found it: [[:Category:Small talk page templates]]. There are {{PAGESINCAT:Small talk page templates}} which is about {{#expr:{{PAGESINCAT:Small talk page templates}}/9000round4}}% of all pages using project banners. I will do some further analysis shortly — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:26, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
In a random sample of 20 pages in that category, I found that on half, the project banners were inside {{tl|WPBS}} so the format wasn't small anyway. Of the rest, I judge that all would look as good or better with the small parameter removed. Two pages ([[Talk:Split infinitive]] and [[Talk:Business plan]]) look distinctly odd with mixtures of different styles. The projects using the small parameter were WP:1.0 (on 9 pages), biography (on 3 pages), guild of copy editors (2 pages) plus a few others. Based on this limited analysis I think the small format should be removed forthwith — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:46, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
:Generally agree, but I think it would be prudent to remove the parameter from the pages that have it first so that there is minimal disruption with possibly odd locations such as you found on those example talk pages (and/or wrap the project tags in WPBS). --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 14:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
::Not totally convinced that would be a good use of my time :) On none of the pages I looked at, was removing the small format going to be "disruptive" in any way. Yes, there were a few which would benefit from wrapping in WPBS but removing the small would not make them look worse than they are now. What I could do, is to remove the functionality from a few banner templates (e.g. 1.0 and biography) and if that doesn't cause any upset then we could assume that no one will miss the feature. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:55, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
:::Kill small.  <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 15:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
:::Definitely not convinced myself, I just like to forestall the complaints that will appear. But go for it if you want to field those. :P --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
{{removed}} today. I have left a temporary message on /templatepage to advise editors that this parameter is now obsolete (if anyone reads those things) — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
== Param omission for hooks/taskforces ==
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The following parameters are recognised by [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces]], but are not listed at [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces/doc]] in the (collapsed) syntax for copypaste:
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|BANNER_NAME =
|TASKFORCE_TEMPLATE =
|IMPORTANCE_SCALE_NAME =
|b1=
|b2=
|b3=
|b4=
|b5=
|b6=
|inherit importance=
|TF_SIZE =
|TF_1_HOOK =
|TF_2_HOOK =
|TF_3_HOOK =
|TF_4_HOOK =
|TF_5_HOOK =
|TF_6_HOOK =
|TF_7_HOOK =
|TF_8_HOOK =
|TF_9_HOOK =
|TF_10_HOOK =
</syntaxhighlight>
Is this a deliberate omission? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] 🌹 ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:08, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Redrose64}} that looks like a non-deliberate omission to me — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
::Some of those parameters are so rarely used, that they shouldn't be in the copy/paste example, but should be documented. An example is the IMPORTANCE_SCALE_NAME parameter which was there for WikiProject Biography when they used priority rather than importance. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:04, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
:::I've added these to the documentation page. {{ping|WOSlinker}} could you add a description for TASKFORCE_TEMPLATE? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
::::I've done TASKFORCE_TEMPLATE now. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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