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Thanks, (Current Event WikiProject Coordinator) [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 18:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

:There is no way to centre that text currently. Editors on this page felt that it looks neater for all the project names to be right-aligned. See [[Template_talk:WPBannerMeta/Archive_13#Inactive_project_layout|the discussion]] if you're interested! &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:38, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

== Wikiproject peer reviews request ==

Hi all, I am gradually working away at trying to clean up, simplify and improve [[WP:PR|peer review]]. I was wondering if I could ask you {{u|MSGJ}} how many wikiproject templates actually use the Wikiproject-specific peer review parameter? (not sure how to find this information...) --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 22:35, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

:Low estimate, 87. That's the count of WikiProject banners whose doc pages have a line like this <syntaxhighlight lang=moin>{{WPBannerDoc/peerreview |peer review=peer-review |old peer review=old-peer-review |LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Peer review |CAT=Requests for Birds peer review |OLD_CAT=Old requests for Birds peer review }}</syntaxhighlight> Of course, there are a number that don't use that line, because I've not verified the doc pages for every banner. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 00:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. Do you have a list I can access? --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 02:54, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

:::I just realised, my count includes sandboxes, many of which display the doc for the main template. These all transclude [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/peerreview]]:

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* [[Template:WikiProject Africa]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Animation]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Arab world]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Aviation]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Biography]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Birds]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Brazil]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Cats]]

* [[Template:WikiProject China]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Cities]]

* [[Template:WikiProject College football]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Comics]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Cricket]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Cue sports]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Engineering]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Ethnic groups]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Firearms]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Fishes]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Florida]]

* [[Template:WikiProject France]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Greece]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Horror]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Ice Hockey]]

* [[Template:WikiProject India]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Indonesia]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Integrity]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Kosovo]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Law Enforcement]]

* [[Template:WikiProject LGBT studies]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Molecular and Cell Biology]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Montenegro]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Normandy]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Novels]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Ohio]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Paranormal]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Peru]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Philosophy]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Politics]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Primates]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Radio]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Rugby league]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Rugby union]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Saudi Arabia]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Skyscrapers]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Soil]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Television]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Terrorism]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Trains]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Trains in Japan]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Tree of Life]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Video games]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Virginia]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Water]]

* [[Template:WikiProject Western Asia]]

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:::I have excluded /sandbox etc. subpages. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 11:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

:::In addition to the above, there are some WikiProject banners which do not use [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/peerreview]] but instead use one or more sets of NOTE parameters for peer review. These include, but are not limited to: [[Template:WikiProject Baseball]]; [[Template:WikiProject Chicago]]; and [[Template:WikiProject Olympics]]. Then there is [[Template:WikiProject Molecular Biology]] which despite its documentation has no provision for peer review - this is because it shares its doc page with [[Template:WikiProject Molecular and Cell Biology]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 14:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

::::{{u|Redrose64}}, thanks for your help fixing up my peer review documentation and things. I went through the templates and have removed the capability from projects that don't use it; there will be another batch in the next week or two. Please let me know if there's anything I've consistently overlooked so I can do it myself next time :). --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 09:30, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

===View to eventual deprecation?===

I've gone through all 109 peer review pages of Wikiprojects and none actually use WP-associated peer reviews to review articles anymore. Around 10 - 15 have old reviews associated with them, and of those it seems like most wikiprojects haven't actually tagged the majority of articles that underwent peer review in this manner.

There are a couple of problems with using this template in this way. Firstly, reviews are often hidden in three-deep template collapses (multiple WP banner --> WP banner --> other). Secondly, the process is unused and there is a huge discrepancy between what have had a review, what are on the talk page, and whether the review was attended to. Thirdly, links can be broken as articles move. Lastly there is no capacity for a second review page.

I am contemplating moving all these links to {{tl|Old peer review}}. Probably it will be using a wrapper called {{tl|Old Wikiproject-associated peer review}}, to make tracking of those reviews easier. From my point of view this has a number of benefits. It standardises the way peer reviews are displayed (13,000 reviews including some WP reviews, are already displayed using [[:Template:Old peer review]] vs. < 1000 using this banner). It increases exposure to the reviews, which might end up improving articles. We can use technical means to track and fix when links are broken and to update the usefulness of information attached to them (now a reader can include the ID and date of the reviewed page, which are very useful to see, and eventually a bot will do a full sweep).

I have started by updating the peer pages of all the wikiprojects, and have notified all projects as I've gone. This included updating the banners of the projects that hadn't actually used this functionality at all. That leaves me with about 10 Wikiprojects that have < 10 reviews, and a handful with a significant amount of reviews.

My concrete plan is to move links from old reviews from this template to {{tl|Old Wikiproject-associated peer review}}, starting with Wikiprojects that have only a handful of reviews created this way, such as [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece]]. If it seems to work smoothly then I'll work from there. Eventually I think this parameter could be deprecated. What are others thoughts about this? Ping to {{u|Redrose64}} as you commented above. I guess my main goal here is to standardise how things are done, make peer review related maintenance easier, and also improve the overall peer review related process.--[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 02:11, 20 November 2020 (UTC)