Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 20

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January 20

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Secret Six members

Delete, As per precedeont for superhero/villain teams. List already exists. J Greb 18:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete category per precedent. We have a list. Every member's article is already linked to the Secret Six article anyway. Categorization adds nothing. Doczilla 22:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Missionaries to India

Propose renaming Category:Missionaries to India to Category:Christian missionaries in India

Rename, Add "Christian" because all articles in the category relate to Chrisian missionaries (this also allows more logical placement in category tree). Replace "to" with "in" because not all missionaries in a country are from outside that country. (see also discussion at Category talk:Missionaries). BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 17:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename for organizational purposes. Dr. Submillimeter 20:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Missionaries in China

Propose renaming Category:Missionaries in China to Category:Christian missionaries in China

Rename. Add "Christian" because all articles in this category relate to Christian missionaries, and the category text already describes it as Christian. This also allows more logical placement in category tree. (see also discussion at Category talk:Missionaries). BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 17:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename for organizational purposes. Dr. Submillimeter 20:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Missionaries in Japan

Propose renaming Category:Missionaries in Japan to Category:Christian missionaries in Japan

Rename. Add "Christian" because all articles in the category relate to Christian missionaries. This also allows more logical placement in category tree. (see also discussion at Category talk:Missionaries). BrownHairedGirl ^{(talk) • (contribs)} 17:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename for organizational purposes. Dr. Submillimeter 20:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Alumni Munson Institute of American Maritime Studies

Delete, this isn't a category, it's just a list of three names, none of which have articles, no members except for the school itself. -- Prove It ^(talk) 16:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fauna of Gujarat

Delete, Category is nearly empty as is, and the fauna of Gujarat does not seem distinct enough from that of India to warrant a separate category. Lesnail 16:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Amusement parks in Oceania

Delete in favor of Category:Amusement parks by country, for man made things, countries just make more sense. -- Prove It ^(talk) 16:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Library and information science → Category:Library science

Rename to Category:Library science. Related but distinct subjects. There are already separate articles on library science and information science. Category:Information science already exists. Most articles currently in this category properly belong in Category:Library science, a few might need to be placed in/moved to Category:Information science. —Ruud 16:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. As a librarian, I can attest that "Library and information science" is the current term for our profession and the education that pertains to it, as encompassing the interdisciplinary aspect of our work. Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 18:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on similar grounds to Pegship (I'm a librarian/info law atty). Most formerly-library schools style themselves as library & information schools or some variant thereof; and produce practitioners beyond libraries. There is significant overlap. But, the structure of info science and library/info sci should be examined to make sure there is a sensible structure and naming, with proposals if necessary to rationalize the structure; I'm not a fan of names which read to the layperson as overlapping. --lquilter 19:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. I am a librarian as well, and I strongly oppose this change for the exact reasons cited by Pegship. ChartreuseLight 20:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Boredoms related groups

Delete, due to subjective inclusion criteria, what exactly does it mean to be Boredoms related. I don't think it makes sense to make categories for music groups based on how they are somehow related to other musical groups. -- Prove It ^(talk) 16:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Twelfth Man

Rename to Category:The Twelfth Man albums, convention of Category:Albums by artist. -- Prove It ^(talk) 15:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename/Delete Do we really need a category for two albums? Xiner (talk, email) 15:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What about the Icelanders' sagas? —Ruud 16:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Norse sagas

Delete. A saga is by definition a Norse one. Category:Sagas is enough. Sigo 15:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 15:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Agree with Sigo. There is no need for two separate levels Norse sagas and Sagas. The sagas are all Norse. --Barend 16:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close and undo the changes after the vote.. This was just discussed here. The vote was a reverse merge since there are other sagas. If you read the articles and Saga (disambiguation), Icelanders' sagas do not appear to be considered as Norse sagas so should not be included there. Also from the various articles these are referred to as Norse sagas and not sagas so that would appear to be the more correct term. Likewise List of sagas contains many sagas that are not Norse. The previous decision should be left standing. Norse sagas should be returned to Category:Norse sagas. Vegaswikian 19:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant demonstration. Category:Sagas will remain Category:Norse sagas. Similarly, the article France will soon be renamed French France...
"The vote was a reverse merge". Did anybody mention on the talk page there was a vote, so that people who know what a saga is could give their opinion? I don't think so.
"Icelanders' sagas do not appear to be considered as Norse sagas". Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.
"Likewise List of sagas contains many sagas that are not Norse." The author of the article doesn't even give a definition of what he thinks a saga is...

Sigo 21:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category: People from Bolton, Massachusetts

Category not populated, can merge into People from Worcester County, Massachusetts Pmeleski 15:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 15:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Writing systems without Word Boundaries

Delete, or at least Rename to Category:Writing systems without word boundaries. -- Prove It ^(talk) 15:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Rename. Xiner (talk, email) 15:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename per Wikipedia title standards. Doczilla 22:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Football clubs in Derry

Merge into Category:Northern Irish football clubs (current population 49), or Keep. -- Prove It ^(talk) 14:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep The cat is well populated. Xiner (talk, email) 15:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It could go either way ... if one is interested in football clubs in Northern Ireland, they have to look at two cats instead of one. If they are interested in stuff particularly in the Derry area, then it's good. -- Prove It ^(talk) 16:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:New York Rap

Merge into Category:New York Rappers, soon to be Category:New York rappers. -- Prove It ^(talk) 14:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 15:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Sigo 16:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge--Urthogie 21:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Long Island rappers

Merge into Category:New York Rappers, soon to be Category:New York rappers. -- Prove It ^(talk) 14:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 15:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The category is well populated. Sigo 16:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Brooklyn Rappers

Merge into Category:New York Rappers, soon to be Category:New York rappers. -- Prove It ^(talk) 14:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 15:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. To be consistent with Category:Long Island rappers. Sigo 16:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Linux software

Most of the software listed is merely portable software that happens to run on Linux, a lot of it predates Linux. It runs on zillions of operating systems. If the category is not deleted, it should be either broadened to Unix/POSIX software (so each piece of portable software won't be in a zillions categories), or narrowed to include only software specifically targeted to Linux. Per Abrahamsen 10:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Specialize per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 15:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Computer and video game censorship and ratings

Propose renaming Category:Computer and video game censorship and ratings to Category:Computer and video game censorship

Rename, The category is too broad, anything pertaining to the rating systems has already been put into Computer and video game content ratings systems. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 15:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Arthur Loves Plastic

Rename to Category:Arthur Loves Plastic albums, convention of Category:Albums by artist. -- Prove It ^(talk) 03:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 15:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Military theme songs

Propose renaming Category:Military theme songs to Category:Songs about the military

Rename. Misleading category naming. Unint 02:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename per Unint. Xiner (talk, email) 15:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Victory songs

Delete. Seems redundant to Cat:Patriotic songs and Cat:Sporting songs, and with those present I'm not even sure what this is for; Sweet Victory is completely incomprehensible, but already indicates 'songs with 'victory' in the title' starting to creep in. Unint 02:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative Keep I can see some merit in this category—songs composed in celebration of victories in war/battles etc; clearly more of a historical phenomenon rather than contemporary, but nevertheless notable. It certainly seems to me to be a categorisable attribute, although the category is very much under-utilised at present.

Xdamr^talk 03:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Songs with different titles

Delete. Apparently for songs that had their titles changed, at some point, for any reason. Except it seems people have also been including songs with parenthetical titles, for whatever reason. Trivial characteristic and a title up for interpretation; not a good combination. Unint 01:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Stupid but harmless. Wasted Time R 03:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The category's inclusion criteria are vague. It should be deleted as it can clutter the category links. Dr. Submillimeter 07:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Vague inclusion criteria and category title doesn't make much sense. delldot | talk 07:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Trivia. Xiner (talk, email) 15:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Dr. Submillimeter -- Prove It ^(talk) 16:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Advertising mascot songs

Delete. First, there is no such thing as a song that is also a mascot. Second, there are far too many popular songs that were used ephemerally used for advertising campaigns, and there's no point in glorifying the fact that Circuit City licensed a song by The Cars in their TV commercials for a little while.

Also, I get the feeling you're familiar with this "Nintendude" guy... Unint 01:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Trivia. Xiner (talk, email) 15:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Incomplete Sydney suburbs

Delete, largely superseded by the WP:1.0 assessment scheme. Another point of concern is that the category is used within article space, introducing unencyclopedic categorisation to many Sydney-related articles. -- Longhair\^talk 01:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Misleading. Xiner (talk, email) 15:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unclear and unnecessary category. Doczilla 22:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]