Talk:Masaaki Hatsumi

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Lineage

Latest comment: 18 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

I hate the tone of disrespect this might convey, but what is his lineage? Does he have a certificate from an ancient school of "ninjutsu" teachers? I've seen this art practiced here and there, and things like the bizarre belt system and curious historical claims, combined with its apparent isolation from other budo, makes me wonder. --GenkiNeko 21:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

He has one of the most traceble lineages in Japan, see http://www.winjutsu.com/source/lineage.html

Well not really - the main reason for his isolation in Japan is the lack of verifiable lineage or more to the point claims of lineage that can't be backed up. At the very least saying he has one of the most traceable lineages in Japan is an exaggeration.Peter Rehse 08:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Lineage within Japanese martial traditions is often tenuous since lines may be broken up amongst students, then later rejoined under a Soke. The Bujinkan teaches from 9 Ryuha's Densho, or transmission scrolls, which are handed down to each Soke. The densho are displayed each year when Masaaki Hatsumi teaches of Toshitsugu Takamatsu, the previous Soke, around the anniversary of his death (April 2nd). It should be noted that one of the nine schools, Gikan Ryu Koppojutsu, is disputed between Masaaki Hatsumi and Shoto Tanemura. Masaaki Hatsumi possesses an addendum in the Koto Ryo densho to include Gikan Ryu, whereas Shoto Tanemura possesses actual scrolls of the school. Stslavik 09:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

What is the value of a huge list of 'senior' students?

Latest comment: 18 years ago5 comments5 people in discussion

What is the value of a huge list of 'senior' students other than providing an opportunity for self promotion and link spam? I suggest removing that whole section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.108.245.19 (talk) 19:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC).Reply

Not so terrible. The founder of aikido Morihei Ueshiba has a similar list and there is even a larger list of notable Aikidoka. Other martial arts also have similar lists. I would suggest a bit of a clean-up though.Peter Rehse 08:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

It shouldn't be removed, but added to a list article, something like: List of Intel Xeon microprocessors, instead of being included in this article - Chronos 14:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Removing the senior student list was a terrible idea. The list provided easy access to a list of instructors and what state they were located. As a student and one who is always traveling from state to state because of my job, it was nice to know where I could find an UPDATED web page with qualified instructors. My two cents, censor the spam links, not the list of instructors.Ronin 138 13:10, 05 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Alternate idea, link to Warrior Information Network and let Jack Hoban Shihan (or whomever is responsible now) do the work of updating it. The list won't be held to the same high standards as here, but you also won't have everyone posting their Sandan shidoshi-ho as a "senior student" as though on par with Nagato Shihan or Noguchi Shihan. Stslavik 09:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)Reply