Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Kurdistan

Portal:Kurdistan

• The Portal focus on Kurdish-related articles only unlike any other geographic portal. Compare/contrast with Portal:Asia which not only focuses to a variety of topics but also a vast number of wikiprojects.
• Kurdistan is a non-defacto (it doesn't claim to be a country) and non-dejure (no one recognizes it as a country) region. Kurdistan however is currently an aspirational country (WP:CRYSTAL applies)
• Kurdistan's borders are ill-defined. (google image search, some examples of inconsistent maps: [1] [2] [3] [4]). Hence the scope of the portal is also ill defined.
• Boundaries of Kurdistan are currently defined at the moment by wikipedia editors' personal opinions on what falls inside and what doesn't rather that being based on reliable sources. So topics displayed often violate Wikipedia:Attribution#No original research and/or Wikipedia:Attribution#Reliable sources
• Kurdistan exists as a dictionary entry, however Kurdistan is a controversial term. For example displaying a map of it to Turkish authorities had lead to a Pentagon apology. While controversial terms as project/portal titles are somewhat 'OK', I strongly feel they should be avoided whenever possible.

• Delete or Rename to "Portal:Kurdish people" -- Cat ^chi? 13:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep. We will neither delete it , nor rename it. We have decided here .[[5]]. --Bohater 14:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Voters must be careful about their words and tones. "We will neither.."", "We have decided.."; Firstly you cannot dictate your POV to others,Secondly Who are you?(Are you a suspected sock?) What you decided?(I couldnt saw any decision in this link). Lets assume another decision for another article, Why interested for us here.?Must.^{T C} 14:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  That is a no-consensus and has no bearing here. That particular discussion was dominated by Turkish/Kurdish/Greek wikipedians. I am seeking a more general opinion. Weather the portal stays or gets renamed will be determined by the wikipedia community, not you. -- Cat ^chi? 14:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, with mixed opinions on renaming. Portal is new but appears to be off to a good start. Topic is widely acknowledged as an aspirational nation with hopes of statehood and as a de facto semi-independent part of Iraq with genuine discussions of combining with primarily-Kurdish portions of neigboring states. I don't think it's practical to split into two portals, one for the broader "Kurdish people" and one for "Kurdistan"; therefore the related WikiProject needs to decide how to focus this, unless they make a decision which is clearly against Wikipedia policies. Bohater pointed to the project's discussion so far; there is a self-selected group of users participating and no firm consensus, but this makes it incomplete rather than invalid. Yes, there is considerable international controversy associated with the topic; as long as the portal and the related articles are clear about this, rather than claiming current statehood, WP isn't taking one side. (Where such claims appear, this is a matter for editing, not for deletion.) The portal will need ongoing attention to WP:NOR and WP:RS, but this is not a reason for deletion. Barno 14:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Currently project claims/implies Diyarbakir is a part of Kurdistan (by displaying a photo of diyarbakir). On the talk page my argument was countered with a "The capital of Turkish Kurdistan is not part of Kurdistan?" comment. (A geographic region can't have a capital/Aspirational capitals fall under WP:CRYSTAL) -- Cat ^chi? 14:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Delete Must.^{T C} 14:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep - Again an attack on the Kurdish gathering in Wikipedia, its done by Turkish users and it is not funny any more because Kurdistan is official in Iraq and it is detailed enough to have a portal and a WikiProject. Ozgur Gerilla 15:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]