Talk:The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref
Volunteer help
We need GLAM-Wiki and TWL coordinators to help achieve broad impact with the campaign. We are looking for help with the following:
- Feedback/improvements to the main campaign page
- Signing up to be a help contact in the "Contact a library leader" section
- Help with internationalization (i.e. adding translation tags, ensuring instructions for language-specific community policies, adding links to maintenance categories or tools for language editions not yet represented, etc)
- Sharing the campaign with Library or Archive partners in your community, and asking them to support it (We can include them as official partners during the week, if their social media team help share the campaign)
- Preparing or encouraging others to write blog posts and social media for the Wikipedia 15 conversation focused on libraries and Wikipedia
- Update GLAM-Wiki Contact pages like https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Contact_us
- Tweeting, lots of tweeting (and retweeting) and sharing on other social media platforms
Please let us know if you plan to do any of these. Thanks!Astinson (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
RefToolbar Guide
Hi there -- I created this RefToolbar presentation for WikiDay 2015 here in NYC. Folks are welcome to use it. There can never be too many beautifully curated citations!
- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 22:10, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- @BrillLyle: Per Phoebe's comment below, we are trying to keep the instructions as simple as possible, so it takes ~15-20 minutes to complete the activity. As of right now, I am questioning that speed of learning-> implement. What would be useful, is tweaks for spead/clarification of the existing story. Astinson (WMF) (talk) 16:12, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Astinson (WMF): If this is a quick training then the PowerPoint I created is obviously too detailed, but if there is a resources section it might be a helpful tool. I don't have any other materials or suggestions -- was only providing this as a resource for editors who might need a quick brushup on the RefToolbar implementation. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
GLAM External Link Templates
Also, these might possibly of interest to Librarians....
Example:
- w:Template:LoC-MSS for Library of Congress Manuscript Division permalinks
{{LoC-MSS|ID|link label}}- An example:
{{LoC-MSS|98084318|Ruth Bader Ginsburg papers}}- displays
- Template:LoC-MSS
-- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 22:15, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- @BrillLyle: The audience for this event might be a bit too broad. This seems like a great thing to be sharing with the cultural-partners list: people who are more active on Wiki, in organizing these kinds of tools. Do you have a documentation page other than the category? It would be great to have both a process, and some sample outcomes sharable with WIRs and other volunteers and professionals coordinating impact for GLAMs, Astinson (WMF) (talk) 16:21, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Astinson (WMF): Agree this is not the audience for this tool; however, again, if there are librarians at GLAM institutions who would like to create these templates, that connection would be invaluable. Each template has a really good set of documentation built into it. I was going to do a Lightning Talk PowerPoint summarizing the typical steps -- although each template can be very different. And as you said above, this is too detailed for this project, so I'm not sure if it would be helpful at this point. I have not had much engagement from other editors in creating these templates although I have tried to reach out to fellow editors and institutional stakeholders. Once the template is made the institutions seem happy but I'm sure the templates are under-deployed. As we have held Wikipedia editathons here in New York City, I've been creating them for each institution, with the only constraint being if their digital assets are set up with unique identifiers in the URLs. As far as event outcomes I don't have sample outcomes beyond listing them in the outcomes of the event pages. I listed this here because it's very library/institution/GLAM friendly and this project seems to dovetail a bit to the templates. Agree it would be great to increase engagement as the templates are very powerful. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
so great
I love this! We might want a slightly slimmed down set of directions to link to on social media -- perhaps a 1-pager with pictures. The other thing that would be useful is a "what makes a good source" section -- I can work on this. -- phoebe | talk 18:13, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Phoebe: This is very first drafty, I would welcome a one pager before the push in January (feel free to use the TWL OWL liberally). Let me know if you have any other thoughts/ideas, Astinson (WMF) (talk) 16:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- Seriously, a big page with 1, 2, 3 and some social media stuff and a lot less "watch our video" and a lot less "here is the history of this initiative and Wikipedia generally". I feel like you're trying to do a lot of things with this page and your hearts are in the right place but if you want people to help, reduce the friction considerably and make it fun. Maybe you need two pages? I'm happy to help (not just shoot my mouth off) but wanted to make sure I ran it by everyone first. Jessamyn (talk) 22:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
- Hi @Jessamyn and Phoebe: I would be happy to see these design changes: that is part of the reason we started sharing it a month out! Please do make the design changes! Astinson (WMF) (talk) 17:10, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- Seriously, a big page with 1, 2, 3 and some social media stuff and a lot less "watch our video" and a lot less "here is the history of this initiative and Wikipedia generally". I feel like you're trying to do a lot of things with this page and your hearts are in the right place but if you want people to help, reduce the friction considerably and make it fun. Maybe you need two pages? I'm happy to help (not just shoot my mouth off) but wanted to make sure I ran it by everyone first. Jessamyn (talk) 22:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Help contact
What does "Signing up to be a help contact in the "Contact a library leader" section" entail? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: Sorry for the slow response: we are just trying to get some community members, who can answer questions or respond to queries in their local region. We aren't putting firm rules on what this means, so feel free to forward anything you don't think is appropriate onto our central contact tools (me, the wikipedialibrary@wikimedia adress, or twitter). I imagining we might get some press from this, so that might be useful, or I will use that list to refer to people for guest blog posts -- we have gotten a half dozen asks so far.
Hello! We are holding an editathon at Johns Hopkins Today for #1Lib1Ref and our IP addresses and Usernames are being blocked. Help!
Template:Translatable template
Hi, can someone prepare the page for multilingual translations? I've never used the TNT template and don't know how to manage it, but I do want to translate this page into Catalan language. Thanks in advance!--Kippelboy (talk) 11:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- Kippelboy, I can set it up, but we should get the text locked down before we make a translatable version. Jessamyn and others have made some improvements, so I think we're close. The Interior (talk) 19:27, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Translations
Quiddity and I have gone through the pages to set them up for translation, they should be mostly good to go. Careful with links, there's a lot of them!
However, we had trouble with the template - it was transcluding all the translation markup, and we couldn't figure out why. We've taken it out for now, but here's the version that was breaking: [1]. Patrick Earley (WMF) (talk) 23:00, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, Patrick Earley (WMF) and Quiddity,
- Thank you for doing the translating template, it seems like I messed up with the sidebar template, I want to make the chinese version to have the zh sidebar however I can only edit the english version's sidebar and it makes the translated version remains in english sidebar... --Liang(WMTW) (talk) 10:11, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- Patrick Earley (WMF) and Liang, we finally determined that the template just needed TNT and dummy-edits. It appears to now be working correctly in The_Wikipedia_Library/1Lib1Ref/zh and The_Wikipedia_Library/1Lib1Ref/fr and etc. Thanks to all who helped.
- Everyone else: Please take a look at translating the sidebar, Template:The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref/Sidebar, and the latest updates to the main page. Thanks! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:25, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Quiddity (WMF), PEarley (WMF), Guillaume (WMF), Trizek (WMF), and Shangkuanlc:, could you please also wrap the screenshot (or, at the very least, the caption) for translation? Halibutt (talk) 11:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- Can you be more specific, Halibutt? Thanks, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Trizek (WMF):, on The_Wikipedia_Library/1Lib1Ref/Participate and The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref/Help there are screenshots posted as illustration. All three are in English, with English subtitles. Ideally, the pictures themselves should be swappable for some other language version, and the captions should be translatable. See The_Wikipedia_Library/1Lib1Ref/Help/pl#Dodawanie_przypisów to know what I mean. Halibutt (talk) 14:09, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- Also, the project's title: it's localisable on the main page, but it's in English on subpages (Help and Participate). Halibutt (talk) 14:11, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- Done for both, concerning captions and page titles. Concerning the image itself, it is a little bit more complicated. If you have any idea about how to deal with that, please ping me Halibutt. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:22, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Trizek (WMF):, thanks!. As to the images, well, technically in wiki code an image is a link just like any other, so you can simply wrap the entire image code in translate tags, with file name, size in px, caption and whatnot. Say, <translate>[[Image:Somethingsomething.jpg|thumb|right|English caption]]</translate>. Wouldn't this work? I'm pretty sure I did it once on Outreach, or somewhere... Halibutt (talk) 14:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- Halibutt, that would work, but that's confusing for a translator. I've seen some people translating everything: <translate>[[Image:Quelquechosequqelquechose.jpg|pouce|droit|Légende en anglais]]</translate> will not work :D
- If you think that's fine and you will watch it, let's do that. You can move the tags yourself, I'll then mark the page for translation. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:33, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Trizek (WMF):, thanks!. As to the images, well, technically in wiki code an image is a link just like any other, so you can simply wrap the entire image code in translate tags, with file name, size in px, caption and whatnot. Say, <translate>[[Image:Somethingsomething.jpg|thumb|right|English caption]]</translate>. Wouldn't this work? I'm pretty sure I did it once on Outreach, or somewhere... Halibutt (talk) 14:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- Done for both, concerning captions and page titles. Concerning the image itself, it is a little bit more complicated. If you have any idea about how to deal with that, please ping me Halibutt. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:22, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- Also, the project's title: it's localisable on the main page, but it's in English on subpages (Help and Participate). Halibutt (talk) 14:11, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Trizek (WMF):, on The_Wikipedia_Library/1Lib1Ref/Participate and The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref/Help there are screenshots posted as illustration. All three are in English, with English subtitles. Ideally, the pictures themselves should be swappable for some other language version, and the captions should be translatable. See The_Wikipedia_Library/1Lib1Ref/Help/pl#Dodawanie_przypisów to know what I mean. Halibutt (talk) 14:09, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- Can you be more specific, Halibutt? Thanks, Trizek (WMF) (talk) 13:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Quiddity (WMF), PEarley (WMF), Guillaume (WMF), Trizek (WMF), and Shangkuanlc:, could you please also wrap the screenshot (or, at the very least, the caption) for translation? Halibutt (talk) 11:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, all is fine and dandy now. Halibutt (talk) 12:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Reworking of main page
I broke the main page down into four pages and did some chunking of the content and added design elements. All the text should be there with the exception of a few sentences I edited. Please feel free to add in anything you notice is off of missing. Query: is this ilib1ref 2015 or 2016 since we're working on it now but it's taking place in 2016? Jessamyn (talk) 18:00, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
- Its 2016! This looks great! I did a bunch of tweaks, and we will probably do some more as we move forward :) Astinson (WMF) (talk) 20:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
- Excellent, let me know if we should move the userbox somewhere. I don't really know how they work but you saw the one that I made. Jessamyn (talk) 04:54, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
facebook event creation?
Is it worth it having a facebook event that people can rsvp to? I could make one but it might be better if it came from the actual Library account (if there is one) Jessamyn (talk) 15:29, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, we have a WikiLibrary account, and I will make it :) Great idea. Jake Ocaasi (WMF) (talk) 18:18, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
What makes a good source?
Drafting up a "What makes a good source" section, to potentially add... -- phoebe | talk 21:54, 4 January 2016 (UTC) --
- What makes a source good to add as a reference in Wikipedia?
- Published: and peer-reviewed if possible.
- Available: can readers potentially access the source?
- Reliable: it's a source you'd point a patron to if they wanted to know more.
- Secondary: usually secondary sources are better to cite than primary material, except in cases like official census figures.
- Actually supports the claim made in the text: the source should back up what is stated. If it doesn't, but is a good general resource for the topic (such as a specialty encyclopedia), consider adding the source to a "further reading" section. If you can't find any supporting source for a claim, remove the claim from the article and add a note to the article talk page about what you removed and your research.
Read more at the Wikipedia guideline Identifying reliable sources.
- would make a great addition to the Participate page! 64.223.125.239 00:48, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Debrief?
Would love to be part of a debrief, hear what worked and what worked less well. I think it would be good to have some stats assembled that we can use to write summary posts about this. Jessamyn (talk) 02:32, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- Great idea Jessamyn. We're going to work with WMF Communications to use their analytics software for social media stats. Then we need to get the edit summary hashtag search working on non-English languages. After that we will definitely have a debrief. Hopefully in 1 week, but possibly in 2. Meanwhile, there's lots of posts and tweets that would make an excellent "storify-ed" post. Jake Ocaasi (WMF) (talk) 19:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- The debrief we had scheduled was cancelled. I'd still like to be a part of a discussion about how to do something like this in the future Jessamyn (talk) 20:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)